Wheels on my Charger.......

vipergts · Post by **vipergts** » Thu Feb 04, 16 3:58 pm

Have we a picture of said caps?

hemi472 · Post by **hemi472** » Thu Feb 04, 16 4:08 pm

As requested .....

vipergts · Post by **vipergts** » Thu Feb 04, 16 5:10 pm

Ah...OK thanks...similar then

steveo · Post by **steveo** » Thu Feb 04, 16 10:02 pm

vipergts wrote:Great info thanks

What I need is a wheel and tyre shop so that I can experiment to my hearts content

I'm a big fan of 15's hence my purchase of wider steels in 15's

I've just measured the rear TT's that were on my car and they are 9.5 I'm not sure how the BS is measured?

Is it back face of hub all the way to the outer edge of the inner rim edge in which case mine have a 5" BS

Stevo.....the second wheel pic you posted is what I have albeit mine a 16" so I could simply prepare and paint them as they've always been a fave in that colour

there is a lot of good info here ! on this site ! ,
http://www.rimsntires.com/specspro.jsp

you can adjust any tyre & wheel combos , for measurements , also , when I was figuring out , mine , ie widest wheel & tyre on all four corners , including a matching spare ( just for reference a 255 tyre on a 15 x 8 wheel , wont fit in the trunk , in stock location on a charger , I had to move hold down bracket ) after spending hours measuring all the different sizes & making a card board wheel / tyre mock up ( no joke

,) I decided to buy one of these , ( percyes wheel right thingy)
every where in the us stocks them now , but had to phone them direct then
http://www.summitracing.com/int/parts/p ... /overview/

after hours & hours / days of fun with this contraption , ( you need to try it on all four corners too , because as we all know factory tolerance / dimensions , were not like todays cars ! especially the rear axle placement under the car , also have to factor in , if a car has had repop rear quarters , the wheel arch lip , is wider on some makes of quarters , about 1-1/8" on some , not all body guys trim to match the OEM width .
luckily the rear axle measurement on mine was the same both sides , well ever so slight difference , not worth mentioning , a lot of cars are not , by all accounts , plus mine had the original quarters .
anyway what I found out , some of the popular aftermarket alloy wheels

8x15 with a 3.75 back space , 225 -235 tyre is max on all four corners

like ( hemi472) mentioned

, to have 295x50x15 rear tyre you need a 15x10 with a 5 or 5 & a half back space , imo 5 inch puts the tyre too close to the wheel arch lip , 5 & a half back space is better , also not sure if there is any rubbing with this set up of partial / full suspension compression ! because in a second generation rear wheel well , there is a hump in the metal ( design )

as mentioned before widest at all four corners 15x8 with a 4 or a 4& a half inch back space with a 245 or 255 x60x15 tyre

on front 15x7 wheel with a 3.75 back space 225 or 235 max maybe a 245 x60 x15 I never measured the 245 though ,

like I mentioned before , because one car varies to the next &
because of Chryslers quality control / production tolerances , need to check your own & each corner to be sure ,

nother thing just checked , torque thrust D wheels are made in a 15 x8 with a 4 & a half inch back space now !! they wernt when I was looking ! think these would look good on yours Lee with 245 tyres
http://www.summitracing.com/int/parts/a ... /overview/

sorry ive got a bit side tracked , not a hijack as such , but thought be a good idea to share my findings to help anyone in the future !! , not got the wheel rite thingy anymore , figured it was only a one time deal to use it so sold it on , other wise anyone could of borrowed it ! & had hours / days of fun ... all the sizes are from memory , think ive still got all the notes I made at the time ...

also all are based on the stock suspension set up ,& imo safe tyre / wheel clearance to wheel arch lip etc ...

ok back on track , yes get your TT wheel spokes painted , is a good idea , think I would go for a matt grey colour ...
or if it was me , maybe sell them & get the ones in the summit link above !!

vipergts · Post by **vipergts** » Thu Feb 04, 16 10:54 pm

Lots of info there Steveo...thanks

I've always used the rimtyre calculator...it's very useful

I've just noticed (Again probably) that you're in Kent too

Might be worth me coming to you or you to me one fine day and see if yours fit on my car

hemi472 · Post by **hemi472** » Fri Feb 05, 16 5:38 am

275/60/15 on 15x8 should fit fine on the back of charger as seen here , but this was 4" back space from memory , along with 15x7 on the front with 225/70/15

ANTON · Post by **ANTON** » Fri Feb 05, 16 9:12 am

Lee get some black plasti dip paint and paint one front and one back wheels spokes and fit them to the car and to see how it looks. If you like it peal the plasty dip off and have the painted properly.

steveo · Post by **steveo** » Fri Feb 05, 16 8:48 pm

hemi472 wrote:275/60/15 on 15x8 should fit fine on the back of charger as seen here , but this was 4" back space from memory , along with 15x7 on the front with 225/70/15

Your welcome to try my wheels Lee , although you only really need to if you want to replicate my set up exactly ,because it is tight on the front at full lock with the suspension dropped onto the lower bump stops , that's why for a extra margin of safety , I fabricated version of the A12 front lower bump stop spacers ( see picture below ) , yes wait till the better weather ,& no rain , the chargers locked away in fort knox at the minute haha , think it would be an idea if I came to you ,would be a major logistical battle plan to get both chargers side by side where I am , with out getting the unwanted attention of neighours & the like , with in a half a mile radius .
I like Antons idea ! plastic dip , clever stuff , would never have thought of that .
Yes that the black 70 charger looks a good set up (HEMI472) 275 looks good on a 15x8 wheel , think 4- 1/2 back space would be the best at the back , or get a custom wheel made maybe .. 15x8-1/2 with 4-1/2 back back space or a 9 inch maybe . . the 70 series tyre looks good , has that back in the day look to it , on our type of cars , I never tried to 70 series on my wheel rite thingy though. (( forgot to mention the other night , if anyone decides to buy one of these percys wheel rite things , its a good idea to have a supply of wire coat hangers , to bend up into various tyre profiles you want to use . will be much quicker, as in the kit they only supply one piece of soft bendable wire )).
all the above sizes I posted above , was factoring in , having the tyre tucked under the wheel arch , with a safe amount of clearance between the wheel arch lip & tyre wall , under all of the suspension travel & steering angles , & to give it a factory lookish ! not a gasser style . also I forgot to mention , I have the stock 11x 3 inch drums still on the front , i'm not sure if any of the aftermarket disc brake set ups would alter the front tracking width ? ... although I think this would only matter if you was going to use a 255x60x15 tyre with a 15x8 wheel with a 4 inch back space up front . a 15x8 wheel with a 4 -1/2 and a half inch back space , with a 235 or a 245 x60x15 tyre your be ok , same with a 7x15 with a 3.75 back space , 225 or 235 or 245 , there are guys in the US running255 on that size wheel too , although I personally have never measured that size my self with the wheel rite thingy. will have a look for all my notes & findings I made , with said wheel rite , sometime over the weekend & post here , might be of help to someone .
also thinking about it ( just for reference ) when I mentioned stock suspension, I was referring to , NO tubular upper or lower control arms or K frame ,, or coil over shocks , just the basic Chrysler desgine ,although mine has lower control arm reinforcement plates , 1 inch solid steel strut rods , A12 desgine lower bump stop spacers, polly graphite bushings front & rear , solid 1-1/8" front & a 7/8" rear sway bars , 1 inch MP torsion bars , ( imo 1.03 or slightly larger would be the size to get with modern tyres , mopar XHD rear springs & polly bushings & dana axle bump stops , plus lots of K frame & chassis strengthening mods etc . mentioned these just for reference as in mine is stock ! but not stock if you know what I mean . not sure I would want to fit 245 or a 255 tyre on the front of a straight 6 car with out a sway bar .
something also found out a while back, all over the internet these days , long before the internet & computers , I collected all the info as we do ( started collecting when I was at school before I even had the charger no joke )

, about our car etc for future reference from various sources , well the BFG Goodrich info plainly stated back then , as follows

tyre size rim width inches
min max
225 -- 6 - 9
235 -- 6.5 - 9
245 -- 7 - 9.5
255 -- 7 - 10

all these above were recommended min & max sizes , in various publications & tyre companies info at the time .

now with the advent of the internet , you do a search & this is what you find
tyre recommended rim width inches

225 -- 7
235 -- 7.5
245 -- 8
255 -- 8.5

I don't know the latest tyre legislation , if any ? why would it change ? think i'll stick with the old school info .

see below , for various pictures ive been waffling about in my above posts

vipergts · Post by **vipergts** » Fri Feb 05, 16 10:09 pm

Cool

All very interesting

Anton...re the plastic dip....good idea but I think black will be too heavy

I will go for a similar grey to the TT pics above

Charger · Post by **Charger** » Sat Feb 06, 16 12:00 am

Torq Thrust D 8.5” x 15” backspace 3.75” all round, tyres 275/60 x 15 at the back & 245/60 x 15 up front

steveo · Post by **steveo** » Sat Feb 06, 16 12:08 am

forgot to ad this link earlier

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index ... 191.0.html

lot of good reading here , with wheel & tyre combos

Charger wrote:Torq Thrust D 8.5” x 15” backspace 3.75” all round, tyres 275/60 x 15 at the back & 245/60 x 15 up front

looks good !!

deffo going to get some torque thrusts ,

hemi472 · Post by **hemi472** » Sat Feb 06, 16 8:32 am

Some really good info there Steve, strange how the rims width recommendations have changed over the years - I have used a 275/60/15 quite a lot in the past on a 7" rim on various cars over the years which I know is not recommended but always been fine , with the 225/70 & 275/60 combo the tire heights end up all being the same around 28" which I quite like , the silver '70 looks mega on the 15x8.5's on the rear with 275's I wouldn't have thought it would work with the backspacing that American racing use on those but they sit nicely in the arches

hemi472 · Post by **hemi472** » Sat Feb 06, 16 8:46 am

double post

vipergts · Post by **vipergts** » Sat Feb 06, 16 10:51 am

Charger wrote:Torq Thrust D 8.5” x 15” backspace 3.75” all round, tyres 275/60 x 15 at the back & 245/60 x 15 up front

I know I've said it before but this looks stunning.

Are there any issues with front wheel clipping front of arch on turning?

I know these wheels are common in US car circles but they just look very right

steveo · Post by **steveo** » Sat Feb 06, 16 2:25 pm

hemi472 wrote:Some really good info there Steve, strange how the rims width recommendations have changed over the years - I have used a 275/60/15 quite a lot in the past on a 7" rim on various cars over the years which I know is not recommended but always been fine , with the 225/70 & 275/60 combo the tire heights end up all being the same around 28" which I quite like , the silver '70 looks mega on the 15x8.5's on the rear with 275's I wouldn't have thought it would work with the backspacing that American racing use on those but they sit nicely in the arches

heres another list of recommended tyre wheel combs , this info is at least 35 years old , well thats how long ive had it ,

this site below may well be old news ,

http://vexer.com/automotive-tools/wheelguide

a guy on dodgecharger.com designed it , I believe this is the second revision , because when I had my wheel right thingy out of curiosity , checked it against my findings , it was pretty accurate , although the distance to the outer lip was a little off ! by about just under a 1/8th from memory . ( well the sizes I was interested in ), it was in a much much larger scale then on the screen , & no text about 17 inch wheels .
nother thing , while you can adjust wheel & tyre combos & see how far away from springs & wheel arch lip , it does not factor in the protruding hump in side the wheel well, & if it rub / come into contact at maximum suspension compression , as shown in picture in my above post .
the wheel & tyre combo on the silver 70 looks great , that combo would not work on mine , or it was close very close at max suspension compression travel & or lock to lock , sure the fronts touched the wheel arch lip , i'm sure I tried it with the wheel rite thingy , or I tried just at one end with one tyre size , & gave up because I wanted all 5 the same

, see , Chrysler quality control & a wide variation in factory tolerance , no two cars are the same !
to run that wheel on mine I would need a very narrow tyre . , to have a torque thrust style on mine & to have a wide tyre at all four corners & have safe clearance imo , I would need this one below .

http://www.summitracing.com/int/parts/a ... /overview/

like whats been mentioned , seems everyone has these wheels ! but there is a reason for that !! ! they look so good on our type of cars