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Having read through this thread there seems a little confusion regarding the E body exhaust tip situation. All Cuda or Challenger R/T cars for 70/71 came with dual exhaust and bright exhaust tips. Notwithstanding the 340 packaged 1970 Challengers. The codes are N41 and N42. They always appear on a genuine Cuda and nearly always on the R/T Chally. Remember to get an R/T Challenger you had to request a bunch of codes as the car had no “package” like the Cuda did. OK, VIN numbers will also bear out the cars true life. However, if you registered a 440 triple carb car in California, you could not request bright tips and cut outs. Therefore the A28 code Noise Reduction Package came into force. This gave you “turn down” dual exhaust and N51 max cooling, N65 torque drive fan and NO N96 Shaker hood. Instead you got the J54 Sport Hood. A good example of an E Body like this is Alan Tansley’s 440+6 Cuda, when imported from California by RPM all those years ago, the car hit our shores with a Sport Hood and No exhaust tips or cut out rear valance. Alan later added these to the car. The car was registered in California. Many dealers at the time swopped cars from other dealers already registered outside of California with the goodies added, otherwise they looked pretty plain jane at the time.
OK, Hemi cars, the factory line was pretty confused about this, I believe no Hemi E bodies were produced in the California plant, so dear old Hamtramack had to make the decisions. I believe from a good source that all Hemi E Bodies destined for California as registered (ordered) cars came with the A28 code as well. It makes sense as then dealers could fit the Shaker stuff and rear exhaust bits. Infact I saw at a Moparnats USA show one of the lowest optioned Hemicudas in history, it was a California car and came minus the tips etc but had the Shaker hood??? Later I found out the car had the shaker added by the dealer, the car was a survivor by the way.
There was also a bulletin thrown out by Chrysler regarding the A28 package early doors 1969, warning dealers and assembly plants of the forth coming California restrictions. However it only mentioned auto cars. For 1971 the A28 cars also received a special N98 Emissions standard decal. Its all a bit confusing and you can see why the factory made decisions’ sometimes against the Chrysler bulletins.
As for the clone E Body market, yes it has pulled down prices of restored cars, many clones are now being de-cloned, and especially the ragtops as these were pretty rare cars in the first place. A lot of clone cars are fetching less money than it cost to build them!
The way I see it is if you have a nice numbers matching car with paperwork, tags etc in near factory trim, that car ought to always give you a return for your money. Once you start messing the car around, it will lose value. If it’s your car and you want it a particular way etc, then fine just remembers it may well be a lottery when coming to sell.
As for the old car hobby, enthusiasts have had Mother Mopar rammed down their throats for far too long, it’s now time for the other makes to take the lead.

Thanks for that Tony.

TonyO wrote:I believe no Hemi E bodies were produced in the California plant, so dear old Hamtramack had to make the decisions.

My understanding is no Hemi or convertibles from the LA plant.

Hi Ton' Excellent info, but i do have a couple of queries:

I reckon all Hemicuda's came from the factory with a shaker hood, even the very low option cars. That survivor would have come from the factory with the shaker.

My Challenger 340 A66 code was built at Hamtramck to California specification for sale in California. It is definately a California car. I am absolutely certain the rear panel with cutouts is original on my car, when i got it it still had the original paint untouched.

The 340 A66 1970 Challenger, came with cutouts, if you read my text I say that the 440+6 cars were open to the No cut out clause. Jim your car is a 340, not a 440+6, please re-read my text.
I think ALL E BODY convertibles were built at Hamtramck. and none in California.

I Know for sure not all Hemicudas came with Shakers, I have seen a Hemicuda with the T/A hood from the factory.this car was at Chyslers at Carlisle in 2002.

TonyO wrote:I Know for sure not all Hemicudas came with Shakers, I have seen a Hemicuda with the T/A hood from the factory.this car was at Chyslers at Carlisle in 2002.

I know of three hemi challengers with factory T/A hoods but never any Cuda with a Challenger T/A Hood.

TonyO wrote:I think ALL E BODY convertibles were built at Hamtramck. and none in California.

That's what I said.

TonyO wrote:Having read through this thread there seems a little confusion regarding the E body exhaust tip situation. All Cuda or Challenger R/T cars for 70/71 came with dual exhaust and bright exhaust tips. Notwithstanding the 340 packaged 1970 Challengers. The codes are N41 and N42. They always appear on a genuine Cuda and nearly always on the R/T Chally. Remember to get an R/T Challenger you had to request a bunch of codes as the car had no “package” like the Cuda did. OK, VIN numbers will also bear out the cars true life. However, if you registered a 440 triple carb car in California, you could not request bright tips and cut outs. Therefore the A28 code Noise Reduction Package came into force. This gave you “turn down” dual exhaust and N51 max cooling, N65 torque drive fan and NO N96 Shaker hood. Instead you got the J54 Sport Hood. A good example of an E Body like this is Alan Tansley’s 440+6 Cuda, when imported from California by RPM all those years ago, the car hit our shores with a Sport Hood and No exhaust tips or cut out rear valance. Alan later added these to the car. The car was registered in California. Many dealers at the time swopped cars from other dealers already registered outside of California with the goodies added, otherwise they looked pretty plain jane at the time.
OK, Hemi cars, the factory line was pretty confused about this, I believe no Hemi E bodies were produced in the California plant, so dear old Hamtramack had to make the decisions. I believe from a good source that all Hemi E Bodies destined for California as registered (ordered) cars came with the A28 code as well. It makes sense as then dealers could fit the Shaker stuff and rear exhaust bits. Infact I saw at a Moparnats USA show one of the lowest optioned Hemicudas in history, it was a California car and came minus the tips etc but had the Shaker hood??? Later I found out the car had the shaker added by the dealer, the car was a survivor by the way.
There was also a bulletin thrown out by Chrysler regarding the A28 package early doors 1969, warning dealers and assembly plants of the forth coming California restrictions. However it only mentioned auto cars. For 1971 the A28 cars also received a special N98 Emissions standard decal. Its all a bit confusing and you can see why the factory made decisions’ sometimes against the Chrysler bulletins.
As for the clone E Body market, yes it has pulled down prices of restored cars, many clones are now being de-cloned, and especially the ragtops as these were pretty rare cars in the first place. A lot of clone cars are fetching less money than it cost to build them!
The way I see it is if you have a nice numbers matching car with paperwork, tags etc in near factory trim, that car ought to always give you a return for your money. Once you start messing the car around, it will lose value. If it’s your car and you want it a particular way etc, then fine just remembers it may well be a lottery when coming to sell.
As for the old car hobby, enthusiasts have had Mother Mopar rammed down their throats for far too long, it’s now time for the other makes to take the lead.

BLOW ME!!!!! and I thought I was a ANORACCCCCCKKKKKK

TonyO wrote:Having read through this thread there seems a little confusion regarding the E body exhaust tip situation. All Cuda or Challenger R/T cars for 70/71 came with dual exhaust and bright exhaust tips. Notwithstanding the 340 packaged 1970 Challengers. The codes are N41 and N42. They always appear on a genuine Cuda and nearly always on the R/T Chally. Remember to get an R/T Challenger you had to request a bunch of codes as the car had no “package” like the Cuda did. OK, VIN numbers will also bear out the cars true life. However, if you registered a 440 triple carb car in California, you could not request bright tips and cut outs. Therefore the A28 code Noise Reduction Package came into force. This gave you “turn down” dual exhaust and N51 max cooling, N65 torque drive fan and NO N96 Shaker hood. Instead you got the J54 Sport Hood. A good example of an E Body like this is Alan Tansley’s 440+6 Cuda, when imported from California by RPM all those years ago, the car hit our shores with a Sport Hood and No exhaust tips or cut out rear valance. Alan later added these to the car. The car was registered in California. Many dealers at the time swopped cars from other dealers already registered outside of California with the goodies added, otherwise they looked pretty plain jane at the time.
OK, Hemi cars, the factory line was pretty confused about this, I believe no Hemi E bodies were produced in the California plant, so dear old Hamtramack had to make the decisions. I believe from a good source that all Hemi E Bodies destined for California as registered (ordered) cars came with the A28 code as well. It makes sense as then dealers could fit the Shaker stuff and rear exhaust bits. Infact I saw at a Moparnats USA show one of the lowest optioned Hemicudas in history, it was a California car and came minus the tips etc but had the Shaker hood??? Later I found out the car had the shaker added by the dealer, the car was a survivor by the way.
There was also a bulletin thrown out by Chrysler regarding the A28 package early doors 1969, warning dealers and assembly plants of the forth coming California restrictions. However it only mentioned auto cars. For 1971 the A28 cars also received a special N98 Emissions standard decal. Its all a bit confusing and you can see why the factory made decisions’ sometimes against the Chrysler bulletins.
As for the clone E Body market, yes it has pulled down prices of restored cars, many clones are now being de-cloned, and especially the ragtops as these were pretty rare cars in the first place. A lot of clone cars are fetching less money than it cost to build them!
The way I see it is if you have a nice numbers matching car with paperwork, tags etc in near factory trim, that car ought to always give you a return for your money. Once you start messing the car around, it will lose value. If it’s your car and you want it a particular way etc, then fine just remembers it may well be a lottery when coming to sell.
As for the old car hobby, enthusiasts have had Mother Mopar rammed down their throats for far too long, it’s now time for the other makes to take the lead.

that made for some good reading thanks for sharing TonyO

Great stuff Tony.
I was thinking of Alan's car when I made my original post about the cut outs.

I was also aware that some Hemi Challengers had T/A hoods early in the production run. Not all Shakers. And Shakers changed colours later on as well.

I should have also said how lucky and priviliged I was to drive both Richard's and Jim's cars. It was really kind and trusting of them. Something I will never forget (or probably do again).

The most scary bit was trying to avoid sheep in Richards Challenger

Pete wrote:The most scary bit was trying to avoid sheep in Richards Challenger

Why did Richard have sheep in his Challenger?

Dave wrote:

Pete wrote:The most scary bit was trying to avoid sheep in Richards Challenger

Why did Richard have sheep in his Challenger?

think he had give will datsun a lift in it earlier

Cannonball wrote:

Dave wrote:

Pete wrote:The most scary bit was trying to avoid sheep in Richards Challenger

Why did Richard have sheep in his Challenger?

think he had give will datsun a lift in it earlier

Genius, Luv it ,

Here come the old jokes about ewe turns..........