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Plugs telling a story
Posted: Mon Jun 02, 08 7:49 pm
by Anonymous
These are from my last run , a much more aggresive tune than Nos reccomends for there cheater plate running 150 horses.
The fuel jet on this run was two steps smaller than the jet chart from Nos , fuel pressure as per chart.
Plugs are numbered from left to right , lost number 8 plug , so put a pic of a new one out the box.
These plugs were idled off the track back to the pits , so a slight discolour on the top of porcelaine.
Plugs are pig rich appart from No 4 , must be some kind of blockage on the fuel spray bar holes around no 4 runner , anyhow , i think something is amiss somewhere. Timing mark looks pretty good on the ground strap , but a little too much on No 4 cylinder.
No 4 plug looks pretty good as far as tune up goes , but don't wanna lean out anymore to bring the rest of the cylinders in line.
Gonna swap the cheater plate for an NX twin Gemini plate , hopefully the tune might balance out a bit better.
Looks like a lot more could've been had with a bit more tuning , but can't take the risk on No 4 leaning out.
Any more ideas on No 4 cylinder being sooooooooo lean compared to the rest? , will do a run NA & check plugs , will tell me if there's a problem when off the bottle.

Posted: Mon Jun 02, 08 7:59 pm
by Guy
Compression ? losing a lobe on the cam on exhaust side, header tube more restrictive, not letting out previous charge, rogue plug??
Posted: Mon Jun 02, 08 8:25 pm
by latil
Fuel puddling in inlet runners?
Posted: Mon Jun 02, 08 8:31 pm
by Cannonball
sorry adam but that lot look like shrapnel to me, what sort off Bananarama! plugs are they ????
Posted: Mon Jun 02, 08 9:13 pm
by mopar_mark
Cannonball wrote:sorry adam but that lot look like shrapnel to me, what sort off Bananarama! plugs are they ????
Look like Italian 13 Amps to me

Posted: Mon Jun 02, 08 9:47 pm
by Anonymous
Cannonball wrote:sorry adam but that lot look like shrapnel to me, what sort off Bananarama! plugs are they ????
Normal NGK plugs Dunc , just using 8s instead of 6s.
Only cut the threads off , same as any other plug.
Edit...Using eddy heads.

Posted: Mon Jun 02, 08 10:02 pm
by Anonymous
NGK, eeek, put some Densos in next time

Posted: Mon Jun 02, 08 10:13 pm
by Anonymous
WillDatsun wrote:NGK, eeek, put some Densos in next time

They might sound good Will , but if you loose a ground strap with irridium plugs you can kiss good bye to the piston , also difficult to read the timing mark on the strap.

Posted: Mon Jun 02, 08 10:21 pm
by mopar_mark
Brutus wrote:Cannonball wrote:sorry adam but that lot look like shrapnel to me, what sort off Bananarama! plugs are they ????
Normal NGK plugs Dunc , just using 8s instead of 6s.
Only cut the threads off , same as any other plug.
Edit...Using eddy heads.

Think I used to run NGK B8ES in my B1, will check ,later. I found them to be a good plug, never had any issues which were down to them.
Lean on 4
Posted: Mon Jun 02, 08 10:27 pm
by Anonymous
Adam could be a weak spring on the inlet valve will be interesting to see what a difference you get with the NX set up?
If its the same then you should tune to the No 4 cylinder to play safe until you find the reason for the unequal mix in 4 cylinder.
BTW I have heard of chopping plugs but that's classic

Posted: Mon Jun 02, 08 10:33 pm
by Cannonball
right ok mate i have never seen a plug disected like that, ring bloody roger luty up them surrey boys know this nitrous lark
Re: Lean on 4
Posted: Mon Jun 02, 08 10:35 pm
by Anonymous
Knightcharger wrote:Adam could be a weak spring on the inlet valve will be interesting to see what a difference you get with the NX set up?
If its the same then you should tune to the No 4 cylinder to play safe until you find the reason for the unequal mix in 4 cylinder.
BTW I have heard of chopping plugs but that's classic

We talked about this on saturday , do you remmember?
Yea Bob , gonna tune for that cylinder , got a feeling it's the plate , will spray the plate into a bucket & see from there.
Pulled 1.5* per 50 shot , would of liked to of seen the results of the tune if all went well , could've pulled another 1.5lb of fuel pressure me thinks.

Posted: Mon Jun 02, 08 10:40 pm
by Anonymous
Cannonball wrote:right ok mate i have never seen a plug disected like that, ring bloody roger luty up them surrey boys know this nitrous lark
Dunc this is the only way to tune a nitrous run motor , did'nt cut & burn me fingers for nothing.
Always open for advice , that's why i put this post up.

Posted: Mon Jun 02, 08 10:41 pm
by mopar_mark
Adam,
What springs you running ?
Double/Triple ?
Poundage ?
Cam Lift/ seperation ?
Posted: Mon Jun 02, 08 10:47 pm
by Anonymous
mopar_mark wrote:Adam,
What springs you running ?
Double/Triple ?
Poundage ?
Cam Lift/ seperation ?
Don't know from memory , but the LSA is too tight for nitrous (108) , should be running @ least 112/114 , probably goin straight out the EX valve.
Prob need to change the vertor too , seems to be blowing right through it.
Motor was'nt built for nitrous , only thougt about cheetin after it was built.
