Hi, just wanted to say hello to everyone here at MMA

[Cannonball]

yes your right brutus, the bottle fed mtrs can always pull it back at the big end with that nos still making power,
unless someone has really dialed in there mtr /car 100% an all mtr is gonna struggle to run 9,s i am not after a pissin competition but lez 10.7 mtr might as well be a 12.0 its that far from a 9 in real terms, we know how much r@d it takes to get that last little bit out off these cars we just dont really get the track time unless your willing to do a few webster day or similar,

its great this benchracing,

Dunc, chill out mate......your telling me I would'nt have run a 9 with that set up on mtr, AND I'M AGREEING WITH YOU, what part of that don't you understand, so comments about 10.7 might well have been 12.0 etc., are a bit off the mark.....

I had the track time, I would've been prepared to work at it tuning some more with what I had, to get the best from it (Without Gas), which I think could've been 10.5's, there's always a bit left in there if look for it, always!

Anything better than 10.5's and it was more carb, comp, lighter pistons/rods/cam, and maybe a look at the heads to see if more flow was available, so don't you think all that depending on how far I pushed things was worth another 3-4ths then...which brings it to 10.1-2......
we all know how hard it is to get those 1/0ths off at this level, thats why I'm making sensible predictions, which is all they are based on my knowledge of engines/Racing and the car I drove.

Hope you got my drift this time [/quote]


i am so chilled you could pour boil boiling water down my throat and i will Bananarama! icecubes, nice that you agree with me,

[Les Szabo]

yes your right brutus, the bottle fed mtrs can always pull it back at the big end with that nos still making power,
unless someone has really dialed in there mtr /car 100% an all mtr is gonna struggle to run 9,s i am not after a pissin competition but lez 10.7 mtr might as well be a 12.0 its that far from a 9 in real terms, we know how much r@d it takes to get that last little bit out off these cars we just dont really get the track time unless your willing to do a few webster day or similar,

its great this benchracing,

Dunc, chill out mate......your telling me I would'nt have run a 9 with that set up on mtr, AND I'M AGREEING WITH YOU, what part of that don't you understand, so comments about 10.7 might well have been 12.0 etc., are a bit off the mark.....

I had the track time, I would've been prepared to work at it tuning some more with what I had, to get the best from it (Without Gas), which I think could've been 10.5's, there's always a bit left in there if look for it, always!

Anything better than 10.5's and it was more carb, comp, lighter pistons/rods/cam, and maybe a look at the heads to see if more flow was available, so don't you think all that depending on how far I pushed things was worth another 3-4ths then...which brings it to 10.1-2......
we all know how hard it is to get those 1/0ths off at this level, thats why I'm making sensible predictions, which is all they are based on my knowledge of engines/Racing and the car I drove.

Hope you got my drift this time

i am so chilled you could pour boil boiling water down my throat and i will Bananarama! icecubes, nice that you agree with me, [/quote]

SORTED ...by the way Dunc, what traction issues on the AMX thems is big slicks mate...should handle the grunt from the Hemi or is it short wheelbase??? 164mph is goooooood mph

[Anonymous]

Bench racing is great but doing it is a different kettle of fish , as we all know going from 10.7 to 10.2 will require another 80 odd horses in a 2700lb car , pretty much impossible without a shed load of work to that ole 440 , when i ran the 10.4 on motor (4300lb) i thought 9s would be a piece of cake with a bit of sniff , considering the engine was built for sniff i knew it wouldn't set the world on fire running NA , had 800 shot of nitrous on that motor , took around 250 shot to get it to run 10.02s , hit it with a 400 shot & it went slower , hit it with a 600 shot & it leapt up off the floor & wiped the torsion bars out.............i reckon that ole charger was capable of mid 9s with a little fettleing with the chassis , suspension................

Gotta love a full trim street car making decent #s..........

AKA Brutus.

[Cannonball]

yes your right brutus, the bottle fed mtrs can always pull it back at the big end with that nos still making power,
unless someone has really dialed in there mtr /car 100% an all mtr is gonna struggle to run 9,s i am not after a pissin competition but lez 10.7 mtr might as well be a 12.0 its that far from a 9 in real terms, we know how much r@d it takes to get that last little bit out off these cars we just dont really get the track time unless your willing to do a few webster day or similar,

its great this benchracing,

Dunc, chill out mate......your telling me I would'nt have run a 9 with that set up on mtr, AND I'M AGREEING WITH YOU, what part of that don't you understand, so comments about 10.7 might well have been 12.0 etc., are a bit off the mark.....

I had the track time, I would've been prepared to work at it tuning some more with what I had, to get the best from it (Without Gas), which I think could've been 10.5's, there's always a bit left in there if look for it, always!

Anything better than 10.5's and it was more carb, comp, lighter pistons/rods/cam, and maybe a look at the heads to see if more flow was available, so don't you think all that depending on how far I pushed things was worth another 3-4ths then...which brings it to 10.1-2......
we all know how hard it is to get those 1/0ths off at this level, thats why I'm making sensible predictions, which is all they are based on my knowledge of engines/Racing and the car I drove.

Hope you got my drift this time

i am so chilled you could pour boil boiling water down my throat and i will Bananarama! icecubes, nice that you agree with me,

SORTED ...by the way Dunc, what traction issues on the AMX thems is big slicks mate...should handle the grunt from the Hemi or is it short wheelbase??? 164mph is goooooood mph[/quote]

hey lez the amx has a real big slick and the chassis is state of the art tagged to 6.0 i reckon the slicks have gone off i have been told by various sources that hoosiers are fine one minute then gone the next the amx is nigh on impossible to get down the track its Bananarama! scary i have driven some quick cars that get out of shape and a lightening quick on of the go pedal useually sorts em out, but not this car everything upsets it, i just cant justify the expense this yr so sittin it out

[Cannonball]

Bench racing is great but doing it is a different kettle of fish , as we all know going from 10.7 to 10.2 will require another 80 odd horses in a 2700lb car , pretty much impossible without a shed load of work to that ole 440 , when i ran the 10.4 on motor (4300lb) i thought 9s would be a piece of cake with a bit of sniff , considering the engine was built for sniff i knew it wouldn't set the world on fire running NA , had 800 shot of nitrous on that motor , took around 250 shot to get it to run 10.02s , hit it with a 400 shot & it went slower , hit it with a 600 shot & it leapt up off the floor & wiped the torsion bars out.............i reckon that ole charger was capable of mid 9s with a little fettleing with the chassis , suspension................

Gotta love a full trim street car making decent #s..........

AKA Brutus.

yes brutal i always wanted to see the 9 out off that old shooter....good times, i take it you will all be at the nats...........

[Anonymous]

yes brutal i always wanted to see the 9 out off that old shooter....good times, i take it you will all be at the nats...........

Looking forward to the Nats Dunc , just sitting in the stands drinking & talkin carp ............looking back they were good times , to be honest it was hard goin with that car , the $$$$$$s & time took it's toll along with Jackie , still not recovered $$$$$$ wise. , if only we could turn back the clock , hindsight is a great tool....

[Cannonball]

yes brutal i always wanted to see the 9 out off that old shooter....good times, i take it you will all be at the nats...........

Looking forward to the Nats Dunc , just sitting in the stands drinking & talkin carp ............looking back they were good times , to be honest it was hard goin with that car , the $$$$$$s took it's toll along with Jackie , still not recovered $$$$$$ wise. , if only we could turn back the clock , hindsight is a great tool....

course it is, but you had a go lots off fun n got a good rep amongst the boys, and its only money 1 life live it, just keep jackie on the edge with the old love truncheon and you wont go far wrong........

[Les Szabo]

Bench racing is great but doing it is a different kettle of fish , as we all know going from 10.7 to 10.2 will require another 80 odd horses in a 2700lb car , pretty much impossible without a shed load of work to that ole 440 , when i ran the 10.4 on motor (4300lb) i thought 9s would be a piece of cake with a bit of sniff , considering the engine was built for sniff i knew it wouldn't set the world on fire running NA , had 800 shot of nitrous on that motor , took around 250 shot to get it to run 10.02s , hit it with a 400 shot & it went slower , hit it with a 600 shot & it leapt up off the floor & wiped the torsion bars out.............i reckon that ole charger was capable of mid 9s with a little fettleing with the chassis , suspension................

Gotta love a full trim street car making decent #s..........

AKA Brutus.

10.4 on mtr and 4300lb...wouldn't set the world on fire?.....what was that then a Big stroker mtr with heads.....tell me more, and whats all this 400 shot of N20 about?.....fogger kit....tell me all

[Anonymous]

10.4 on mtr and 4300lb...wouldn't set the world on fire?.....what was that then a Big stroker mtr with heads.....tell me more, and whats all this 400 shot of N20 about?.....fogger kit....tell me all

Most members have heard it all before but here goes .............

Best time i got with the charger running a 440 was 12.4 on motor/11.3 on the bottle (250 plate kit) , drove it home & it was consuming more oil than fuel , took it appart to find lifted ring lands on all pistons except #s 7/8 , after a little massage with a hammer & chistle it all went back together , advanced cam timing 8* & off i went again , best time i got on that ole 440 was 10.9s with the 250 shot (eddy RPMs).

Decided i wanted to run mid 9s to which some on here said i was crazy doin it with a heavy ole barge , i should of listened , managed to get hold of a 605" stroker off Jerry Smith that had a spun bearing..........4.562 bore/4.625 stroke , Indy 572-13 heads , external oiling , milodon gear drive , solid roller cam (nitrous lobe profile) , 730/740 lift (1.5RR) , piston rings specced for nitrous , .100" piston to head.....blah blah......................first time out ran a 11.4 no gas , bit of messing with the dommie it picked up 3 tenths , pulled the 3 circuit metering blocks off the 1050 dommie & fitted a set of metering blocks off a 4150.........next time out it ran a 10.8 , messed around with jetting & it went 10.4 , sprayed it with a 250 shot & it went 10.02 @ 139 mph , the rest is history.

Should of thrown in the towel when i balloned the vertor & took out the crank , along with destroying a couple of 727s , last but not least was the $$$$s spent when the front planetry set sheared.

Nitrous kit was an NX two stage plate , 500 first stage with 300 for the second , -8 nitrous line with a couple of BG 280 fuel pumps , that bitch wouldn't hook with anything more than a 250 shot , was the weight along with the tyre size that kept it from running the 9s. ..............reckon it would of gone faster with a better driver , should of taken ole Mad Dog up on the offer to drive it , or just slung Dunc the keyes.

[Les Szabo]

very interesting, I thought it would've had to have been some monster motor, that was a 9 sec no prob car with 139mph as you know. Can just imagine the hp and mega torque from that mtr, suprised it didn't bend the car in half?....can see why it was hard on parts.....thanks for putting it up again....Les

[Les Szabo]

Dunc, chill out mate......your telling me I would'nt have run a 9 with that set up on mtr, AND I'M AGREEING WITH YOU, what part of that don't you understand, so comments about 10.7 might well have been 12.0 etc., are a bit off the mark.....

I had the track time, I would've been prepared to work at it tuning some more with what I had, to get the best from it (Without Gas), which I think could've been 10.5's, there's always a bit left in there if look for it, always!

Anything better than 10.5's and it was more carb, comp, lighter pistons/rods/cam, and maybe a look at the heads to see if more flow was available, so don't you think all that depending on how far I pushed things was worth another 3-4ths then...which brings it to 10.1-2......
we all know how hard it is to get those 1/0ths off at this level, thats why I'm making sensible predictions, which is all they are based on my knowledge of engines/Racing and the car I drove.

Hope you got my drift this time

i am so chilled you could pour boil boiling water down my throat and i will Bananarama! icecubes, nice that you agree with me,

SORTED ...by the way Dunc, what traction issues on the AMX thems is big slicks mate...should handle the grunt from the Hemi or is it short wheelbase??? 164mph is goooooood mph

hey lez the amx has a real big slick and the chassis is state of the art tagged to 6.0 i reckon the slicks have gone off i have been told by various sources that hoosiers are fine one minute then gone the next the amx is nigh on impossible to get down the track its Bananarama! scary i have driven some quick cars that get out of shape and a lightening quick on of the go pedal useually sorts em out, but not this car everything upsets it, i just cant justify the expense this yr so sittin it out[/quote]

well all I can say is I used Hoosiers from New for 2yrs, they had a small amount left when the guy with the white Buick bought them and he said they were still ok and thats with big torque from his mtr, so don't know about they go off?....mind you I wasn't throwing anywhere near that much hp at them......can't be that old can they......

[Anonymous]

suprised it didn't bend the car in half?....can see why it was hard on parts.....thanks for putting it up again....Les

Was very hard on parts , Blue had that 727 down @ least twice a year , when the rear 1/4 started to buckle it was time to fit the cage , something i tried to avoid as it was a street car which went everywhere.

[Dave999]

It was a street car which went everywhere.

which frankly is amazing
thats the key thing
IMO the best bit......

Dave

[Stu]

Best bits of the last few years, watching those full weight Chargers trying to get the numbers. Absolutely crazy, the pair of 'em, but they were doing it! Always looking out for their runs every race meet, made very interesting reading too, even for those of us who couldn't understand half of it.

Goes in the hall of fame along with the Taxi, that one for me.

[TW71]

I take my hat of to Adam for his persistence and dedication proving how hard it is to run low numbers with that Charger and keeping it on the street and shifting on the tree if I remember