Saville Row

Dave-R · Post by **Dave-R** » Wed Oct 03, 12 1:44 pm

Clivey wrote:I won't have Sir Jimmy OBE KG KM ridiculed on here. He did stirling work for the less abled.

So did the Kray twins.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Wed Oct 03, 12 1:57 pm

They did Dave. They only sorted their own kind. Honest Guv.

TYREMAN · Post by **TYREMAN** » Wed Oct 03, 12 10:10 pm

Dave81 wrote:
Clivey wrote: He did stirling work for the less abled.
I never liked him, and i did watch Louis Theroux's TV programme.

I can tell you one thing from watching that alone....I would not leave any less abled person or minor (male or female) with him.

Yes, some people can be weird and thats not reson for ridicule and allegations, this guy to me was quite clearly not right in the head!

Mr Jackson would be another one i'd add to the 'off piste' mentally list!

How do you know you are fully 100% mentaly fit?

what is normal?

Most people in the UK are not mentaly fit)(they think they are) but im sorry to tell you all we are not! we are conditioned by society to think in a way that conforms we do not even know it but we pick it up from a young age from/Parents/School/the media and peer presure.We put people into pigion holes sadly and anyone that does not neatly fit into a categary is seen as "not Normal" often.Most people are not there own Man,the things they do are often to fit in to society and feel normal and accepted rather than thinking for themselves.

Most of us are just Dogs! our life is just trying to fit in and be accepted by the rest of the pack and be a good little pack member or good worker Bee

Nothing wrong with that No its good to fit in and be accepted by ones peers.But lets not kid ourselves that we are more normal than people that do not follow the pack and do there own thing and refuse to be pigion holed.

We are afraid of anything we do not understand so often pack together to target loners or Eccentrics its human nature.

But i would say they are the clever ones!! good on them for having the balls to do there own thing and refuse to run with the pack.

I do not buy the Jimmy Saville thing...papers are scum! and i do not beleve a word they print...more evidence is needed in this case and like others its out of order he is not around to defend himself.

I do hope this is wrong? as i also liked him it would be a great shame if this turned out to be true.No smake without fire? we will see?

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Thu Oct 04, 12 8:06 am

Well, I watched 'Exposure' last night, and I am pretty convinced that he was engaging in sexual activity with very young girls. The weight of evidence was pretty significant.

What I DO NOT get, is how so many people had first hand evidence at the time, yet said nothing and they tried to come accross all innocent in Sir Jimmys crucifixion yet THEY through THEIR inaction allowed it continue! they should be ashamed. Inexcusable, yet they tried to come accross as innocent bystanders, separating themselves from the whole episode.

I have taken Jimmy's picture down from my bedroom wall.

latil · Post by **latil** » Thu Oct 04, 12 8:28 am

He had money and a degree of power plus some fairly dodgy connections in the boxing world. He threatened anyone who crossed him with some sort of action,either to sue them or more likely a visit from the boys. people were kept quiet by threats.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Thu Oct 04, 12 8:55 am

Steve, thats BS. An anonymous tip off to the old bill was all that was required. No one is suggesting they should confront him and take him on themselves.

I tell you why no one said anything shall I? Its because it was all generally accepted that it was part of the industry. Celebs, young 'groupies', fair game! It came with the territory. If kiddie fiddling was that objectionable, someone would have done SOMETHING. They didnt, because it was 'ok, but nowadays it isnt as 'ok' as it was then' so he is being exposed because now we dont like it. They are all as bad as each other. I could go a lot further in my views about the people involved, but I wont.

latil · Post by **latil** » Thu Oct 04, 12 9:18 am

Several people being interviewed on ITV have mentioned his threats,manipulation and connections to the boxing underworld in the 60's/70's. And yes you're so right,his behaviour was generally accepted in those days,much as Benny Hill was ok at teatime.

Dave-R · Post by **Dave-R** » Thu Oct 04, 12 9:22 am

Former teen singer Coleen Nolan claimed in an interview on ITV1's Alan Titchmarsh Show on Wednesday that Savile had suggested she join him at a hotel when she was 14, following a recording of Top of the Pops.

She had been appearing on the music chart show along with her sisters, while Savile was presenting.

She said: "I stood with him while he made the announcement and it was an uncomfortable situation, the way he held me and then he mentioned about going to a hotel. But you didn't talk about those things then."

And in this case;

Ms Rose also said in an interview with BBC News that she chose not to pursue a police investigation at the time because she was told:

"You need to be prepared for the media circus it will cause, you will have the press camped on your doorstep. I decided I couldn't cope with that."

These are very typical responses in these situations.

You have to remember that child sexual abuse was almost unheard of until the 1980s. I was working at the very first UK conference on this subject in the early 80s and half the audience (who were medical professionals) did not believe that these cases were real and that teenage girls tended to make these stories up because of the hormornal changes going on in their bodies and/or they were probably at fault themselves because they were obviously leading these men on.

So it was really hard for these girls to be believed.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Thu Oct 04, 12 9:58 am

So, if his sexual preferences were well known and common knowledge, to the point that no one thought to do anything about it, and I mean ANYTHING, and the girls repeatedly went back (he had a young entourage remember) I find it very hard to accept any of them getting on the moral high horse 30-40 years on claiming that they were either naieve or scared at the time and so didnt intervene. It was either wrong then, or accepted then. If its the former, why didnt they do something, if its the latter, you are judging the accepted behaviour of someone then, with the wisdom of today.

Remember, the ancient greeks and romans were well known for their love of boys under the age of 10., and some contries think a girl is ready for marriage as soon as she starts her period.

I think Jimmy was bang out of order and someone should have told the police and he should have been done, then!

mopar_mark · Post by **mopar_mark** » Thu Oct 04, 12 10:21 am

Sports Direct are doing a memorial Jimmy Saville tracksuit.

You get the adult top, but have to squeeze into kids bottoms.

Dave-R · Post by **Dave-R** » Thu Oct 04, 12 10:21 am

I agree with you Clive that the adults that suspected stuff should have blown the whistle.
But you can't blame the girls involved for not speaking out and being labled as "little sluts". Even if some of them were possibly willing.

I was baby sitting a young niece of my wifes one evening and as soon as her parents drove off for their night out this little girl asked me to show her my "willy".

As an adult (who was now in a slight panic) I had the choice to take advantage of a situation with a girl who does not completely understand the conciquences, OR have a chat with her about it not being nice to ask things like that.

Obviously there are some men out there that see children the same as they see adults.

If this girl had been 19 there would have been a decision to make.
But a child as young as this there shouldn't even be the sugestion of a choice in the matter. My negative response was automatic.

For people like Jimmy S the automatic response is the other way. Worse than that, it seems he actively pursued girls that age.

Adrian Worman · Post by **Adrian Worman** » Thu Oct 04, 12 10:30 am

mopar_mark wrote:Sports Direct are doing a memorial Jimmy Saville tracksuit.

You get the adult top, but have to squeeze into kids bottoms.

Oh that's a corker

I got some good uns but they'll get removed so I won't bother

Keep em comin

Post by **MattH** » Thu Oct 04, 12 10:46 am

I think Clivey Bananarama! the nail on the head, attitudes in general have changed and alot more is deemed as unacceptable now that wasnt 30-40 years ago. This is similar to the catholic schools abuse stuff that only came out recently but allegedly went on for years, no-one said anything back then either.

People now have a freer voice and feel more comfortable speaking out.

"because it was 'ok, but nowadays it isnt as 'ok' as it was then' so he is being exposed because now we dont like it."

Pete · Post by **Pete** » Thu Oct 04, 12 10:46 am

Watershed, chap!

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Thu Oct 04, 12 10:53 am

I'm just thoroughtly disappointed by the whole thing. He was a bit of a childhood hero, and its really distressing to know that someone who's career was almost totally formed around entertaining kids, was used to get access to them for very very wrong reasons.

Just shocked.