Scottish Independence.

Carl · Post by **Carl** » Wed Sep 17, 14 8:51 am

I hope Scotland does become Independent, it might wake us up and get us out of Europe. Ha wishful thinking! The countries that are doing well are independent countries and not getting ripped off by a so called community.

John · Post by **John** » Wed Sep 17, 14 8:54 am

Carl wrote:I hope Scotland does become Independent, it might wake us up and get us out of Europe. Ha wishful thinking! The countries that are doing well are independent countries and not getting ripped off by a so called community.

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morgan · Post by **morgan** » Wed Sep 17, 14 9:32 am

Man I'm bored. Is it over yet ? This is worse than the world cup.

Dave81 · Post by **Dave81** » Wed Sep 17, 14 12:46 pm

Trigger_Andy wrote:
Dave81 wrote:
Trigger_Andy wrote:With 87 years of Oil being produced at 250,000 barrels per day in one field alone in the West O f Shetland I think we are safe,lol.

87, is that all? With that timescale your kids, kids may well be in a different Scotland to the new independent one your dreaming of! Or are you not looking out for future generations?

Dave, thats one field. There is many more untapped fields out there waiting to be exploited. Norway has an Oil fund built up over the last 25 years to the tune of $826 billion and zero national debt. Let that sink in for a while.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101321953#.

The North Sea has around 50-100 years of oil left. We have not even started on the West of Shetland and currently we are not allowed to start in the Clyde Firth due to Trident. Where Scotland to set up an oil fund it would far ourstrip what Norway has put aside for the future generations. Next we have Scottish Coal again as mentioned earlier there is vast untapped reserves there. over 80% of the UK's un-worked reserves.

But more importantly Scotland has 25% of the potential renewable energy.

Again, oil makes up 15% of Scotlands GDP. We would still be a wealthy country without oil. With is we will be one of the richest.

But as I have pointed out dont take my word for it, its been reported in many articles from leading independent sources stating how well Scotland would do come indepencance. I presume you have not read them so I'll not dwell on them much more.

I've not read any of your articles from leading independent sources as you have yet to post one.........nearly everyone you have, is massively sided and not objective!

You have to be kidding me right? So Forbes Magazine, The Financial Times and someone who is regarded as the World Leader in Economics who also happens to be a Nobel laureate winner are all massively one sided and and nor objective? Ok Dave, I think I know what your last name is and I'll guess its Cameron,lol.

Could you tell me why rUK is so desperate to keep Scotland, please?

I have no idea bar the political party stuff I posted a few pages back!
Could also be that the uncertain future for both will massively effect both and could possibly put us back in recession, as seen with the pound taking a big dive a few weeks ago after the Yes surge!

Nearly everyone (English and a few Scottish) that I have spoken too don't care as they don't have votes!

I am also interested in the 'Nitty gritty' points you seem to be so worried about though. Care to share?

Pensions, military, nhs, policing, all council funding and handouts, currency, debt, eu, border control, energy suppliers, food, water authority funding (the industry I work in) inc infrastructure, cross boarder working and permits, DVLA and the other smaller stuff I can't put my mind too!

All covered. I can add more links to this but I feel I would be wasting my time as you clearly think every article is biased.

I may have missed it, but Salmond seems too busy saying how great independence is and taking shots at Westminster rather than explaining what structure will be in place to safeguard the average Scot from the possible hike in cost of living at the beginning.......

Oh, that's right! Oil and Whiskey will subsidise you................. but only for the first 87 years!;);)
Again Oil makes up 15% of Scotlands GDP, please wake up to this fact. What 'Subsadises' Norway? Sweeden? Denmark? Icland? New Zealand? You are clutching at straws here and I have no idea why.

What is Scotland's GDP total per annum?

As for what's subsidising the other countries.
A) Every country is different so you can't calculate it on that basis!
B) They are established!

Dave81 · Post by **Dave81** » Wed Sep 17, 14 12:54 pm

For reference Andy the 2008+ bank crisis/recession lead to a 7.5% drop in the UK GDP.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10613201

We know how hard that hit people, the exchange rate......well basically everything.

Millions lost jobs and it kinda brought the country to its knees in some aspects.

You are talking double that loss!!!!!!!!!!

Id think that was a little more serious than you are making out......So talking about oil in respect of longevity (not who takes the cash) is a real big issue for the Scots and the future of the Scottish economy.

No country can sustain a 15% drop in GDP!

Another fact book on GDP in the UK since 55:

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablo ... th-economy

Trigger_Andy · Post by **Trigger_Andy** » Wed Sep 17, 14 4:41 pm

At least you are actually backing up what you are saying with references and not just your own personal opinions.

Even if its the Biased Broadcasting Corporation.

The thing is the recession never affected the North East of Scotland one bit. No one lost their jobs and house house prices continued to rise. If/when Scotland opens up the Clyde to the Oil Industry Glasgow and to a lesser extent Edinburgh would be as protected as much as the North East of Scotland was in 2008. The figures you show are for the whole of the UK and not Scotland as an individual Nation. If you have any figures for that Id love to see them. Again, I'll use Norway as an example of a country not affected by the crisis of 2008 at all. And all Norway has is the Oil industry.Scotland has so much more going on than Oil and has a wealth of natural resources on and off-shore. You may snigger at the Whisky industry but lets not forget Whisky makes up 25% of the UK's export of Food and Drink. Scotland is also a net exporter, we sell more than we buy.

So to sum up I am taking this seriously, Ive done more research into this than any other political campaign before and I am 100% confident this is the right choice for Scotland as a people. But only time will tell.

Check out the pictures below. We want away from this and we have a really opportunity to do so. Thinks in the UK are getting far far worse and most of it seems to be orchestrated. I honestly think there is a much bigger danger of staying in the UK than the slight perceived risk of leaving it. Maybe if Scotland gets independence it will be the kick in the backside the English needs to sort their own house out?

Dave81 wrote:For reference Andy the 2008+ bank crisis/recession lead to a 7.5% drop in the UK GDP.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10613201

We know how hard that hit people, the exchange rate......well basically everything.

Millions lost jobs and it kinda brought the country to its knees in some aspects.

You are talking double that loss!!!!!!!!!!

Id think that was a little more serious than you are making out......So talking about oil in respect of longevity (not who takes the cash) is a real big issue for the Scots and the future of the Scottish economy.

No country can sustain a 15% drop in GDP!

Another fact book on GDP in the UK since 55:

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablo ... th-economy

mopar_mark · Post by **mopar_mark** » Wed Sep 17, 14 6:31 pm

Dave81 wrote:Nearly everyone (English and a few Scottish) that I have spoken too don't care as they don't have votes![/color]

I only have 2 Scottish mates I talk to on a regular basis. When I said your getting ready to vote. One said it's all phish & won't be voting, the other said its all Bananarama!. ......

Trigger_Andy · Post by **Trigger_Andy** » Wed Sep 17, 14 7:24 pm

Well your mates are clearly Bananarama!. This is a once in a life time opertunity and to waste that vote regardless of which side if the fence they sit is a disgrace. I presume they don't actually have a vote as they live in Englandshire?

Remember, you get the government you deserve not the one you want.

Dave81 · Post by **Dave81** » Wed Sep 17, 14 8:11 pm

On the flip side if the Sottish No wins I think there may be more trouble than you think........the government have made so many favours in the Scottish direction for a No, it will lead to a bigger divide in the Anglo-Scot relationship!

Unless if course they are empty promises.............

Just listening today, nearly every council will be looking a devolved powers from Westminster so they can help inject cash were the local, not national see fit!

Can't see that happening............So it's a case of one rule for the Scots, another for the rUK if we stay together!

Could be.......Sorry, will be a lose/lose for Westminster!

Good job your voting No Andy!

Trigger_Andy · Post by **Trigger_Andy** » Wed Sep 17, 14 9:40 pm

If Scotland votes no then we will be severely raped. There is a reason why the polls are rigged to look like there is an even split do when the votes are manipulated to a no vote it looks like it's the Scottish people made that choice. I firmly believe this. Every single village, town and city in Scotland has thier town centers packed with Yes voters. This is hidden from the main stream media. I know of only one NO voter out off all the Scottish people I have spoken too. The Bullying that supposedly is going on has only been apparent from the no side. Even the Egg throwing Incedent was a ploy from the NO side. It's disgusting how low England will go to keep milking the cash cow that is Scotland.

Dave81 wrote:On the flip side if the Sottish No wins I think there may be more trouble than you think........the government have made so many favours in the Scottish direction for a No, it will lead to a bigger divide in the Anglo-Scot relationship!

Unless if course they are empty promises.............

Just listening today, nearly every council will be looking a devolved powers from Westminster so they can help inject cash were the local, not national see fit!

Can't see that happening............So it's a case of one rule for the Scots, another for the rUK if we stay together!

Could be.......Sorry, will be a lose/lose for Westminster!

Good job your voting No Andy!

mopar_mark · Post by **mopar_mark** » Wed Sep 17, 14 9:52 pm

Trigger_Andy wrote:Well, I presume they don't actually have a vote as they live in Englandshire?

Remember, you get the government you deserve not the one you want.

One lives in Arbroath, the other just outside Edinburgh

John · Post by **John** » Wed Sep 17, 14 10:03 pm

At the mo betfair have it at 4/1 on No or 7/1 on Yes

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Trigger_Andy · Post by **Trigger_Andy** » Wed Sep 17, 14 11:13 pm

Interesting one comes from Arbroath. Must be a Hun?

mopar_mark wrote:
Trigger_Andy wrote:Well, I presume they don't actually have a vote as they live in Englandshire?

Remember, you get the government you deserve not the one you want.
One lives in Arbroath, the other just outside Edinburgh

GJUK · Post by **GJUK** » Wed Sep 17, 14 11:13 pm

morgan wrote:Man I'm bored. Is it over yet ? This is worse than the world cup.

+1

Trigger_Andy · Post by **Trigger_Andy** » Wed Sep 17, 14 11:34 pm

I presume that is Guffy figures from the whole of the UK?

I know for a fact that the Bookies in Scotland have hugely different figures and they are ones that count.

JohnS wrote:At the mo betfair have it at 4/1 on No or 7/1 on Yes

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