It is costing the UK £50 million a day to pay the toll on the road to eventual ruin.
There are too many big,mainly German business interests running the EU for it to ever work fairly.
Can anyone,anywhere give a figure on the numbers of UK citizens who have moved to another EU country for work. It all seems very one way right now and this is damaging our youngsters job prospects,our housing and our essential services. The EU doesn't give us a discount to pay for increasing numbers draining those services either.
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Theresa May ordained a report on the cost/benefit of EU migration to Btitain. She supressed the release because it showed a net increase to our revenues, not a loss. Search it, it's easy to find.
Not making a political point here, just looking at some of the facts related to the overall debate. I'm conscious that it's quite likely that any of our members jobs/businesses may be directly related to competition from EU migration. I'm just looking at the macro picture.
I'm not really sure what the right thing to vote for is.
On one hand I don't like the idea of paying £Xm a day to be members of a club but on the other hand we do get some benefit in kind that affect all of us. At what point does one out way the other?
If, for example, we stop being members of the EU then the money that comes to us for things like single farm payments would stop. This money helps a lot of farmers stay just above the breadline.
The other thing to mention, whilst I mentioned farming is that the market in this country is artificially supressed. When you can buy a bottle of milk for less than a bottle of water it's obvious that something isn't right.
Supermarkets only pay a pittance for milk. It's only EU subsidies to the farmers that enable them to produce milk at all as they effectively sell it at a loss without this extra money.
If we did leave, I don't think that the world as we know it would end. UK buyers won't stop buying BMW's any more than the French will stop buying Land Rovers, for example. The country would continue to tick over, but a few fundamental things would have to change - the price of a pint of milk being an obvious example.
The other thing to consider is do you vote altruistically or vote for the option that might benefit you personally as they are not necessarily one in the same thing?
As mopar enthusiasts, the current "will we won’t we" situation is massively impacting on the value of the pound against the dollar. The value of the toy in the garage goes down, but the costs of parts to keep it roadworthy are going up?
I honestly don't know what the best thing to do is. It's nice to think we could go it alone, but Britain is no longer a world super power and hasn't been for a very long time. How long do you continue to trade on your laurels?
I don't feel like I know anywhere near enough about the implications to vote one way or another at the moment. That being said, I do intend on voting. I passionately believe that you cannot complain about what happens if you cannot be bothered to exercise your right to vote.
I am not particularly Pro-EU, but one thing that people tend to overlook is that the arrangement has given Europe an unprecedented period of peace, prosperity, and stability after almost apocalyptic 20th Century.
In fact, European countries have been at war amongst themselves for most of modern history prior to the EU.
Interesting point there,I don't think Land rover/Jaguar will be based here much longer. The parent co is TATA,a massive Indian co that also owns Tetley tea and what's left of our steel industry. Most Jaguar engines are now made in India,not sure about L/R parts but,simple economics will drive the factories elsewhere. Slovakia this year and Brazil in 2018 are the two overseas facilities coming on stream,not sure what they will be making though.
On another note,the rules/regs/ paperwork involved in even the smallest of farms make it touch and go whether the payouts are worth it. It's easier to hang up your tractor than get involved for the small man.
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Latil, several farmers round here have mooted that exact thought to me.
With regard to JLR, I suspect you're right there too... although, I suspect they will maintain a small British base - they have invested heavily in the Chester road plant in recent times. That way they can still pedal the "it's a British marque" line in the advertising spiel. Much the same way as MG turn out the odd car in a very much shrunken Longbridge plant to maintain the illusion that it's still a British company. "Cool Britannia" might be a bit old hat here, but it's selling a hell of a lot of cars in China.
Even the Germans are at it now... BMW are no different in how they outsource. I believe all their smaller RHD stuff is now stamped out in South Africa? Certainly all Z3's were built in the USA both RHD and LHD.
Yes,those terrible first gen Mercedes A class were bashed together badly in Mexico.
So,even mainland EU companies are finding things cheaper elsewhere. Why? How can Europe be so uncompetitive in the wider world? There is a root problem. Green taxes/energy costs are killing off many as are very high property prices and business taxes.
1965 Belvedere 2 426 Wedge.
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The construction industry has been destroyed by cheep Eastern European labour ,and I am sick of laws coming from people I never elected .....the EU was once called the common market a trading block if you like .....great idea but along came the Internet and a few clicks of the finger and I have a container load of jeans on its way from the USA.so the old idea of a common market is redundant .....some how over the years it has morphed into a European Parliament that we in the 70s never voted for we voted to be part of a common market .......look what the EU has achieved ,Greece bankrupt ,Italy bailed out ,France hanging on to Germany's tail ,immigration out of control ,did you know that over a quarter of belgiums economy is funded by the EU ?did you know a year before Greece went tits up Germany done the biggest arms sale to Greece ? We do not need the EU they need us ,,,,,get the Bananarama! out and let merkal have it w do not need it anymore
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This is really interesting to me as it appears there is an overwhelming balance of MMA people that want out unless all the innies havent spoken out as yet. I wonder if this a true reflection of what will turn out to the ballot boxes come D day or whether we will see another surprise in the numbers for staying in? I know that just as on here, speaking to friends around me here it appears they are of the same opinion and want out
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Now passed customs.
Now on route.
Now in posession.
Now costing me sh*t loads.
pete walton wrote:The construction industry has been destroyed by cheep Eastern European labour ,and I am sick of laws coming from people I never elected .....the EU was once called the common market a trading block if you like .....great idea but along came the Internet and a few clicks of the finger and I have a container load of jeans on its way from the USA.so the old idea of a common market is redundant .....some how over the years it has morphed into a European Parliament that we in the 70s never voted for we voted to be part of a common market .......look what the EU has achieved ,Greece bankrupt ,Italy bailed out ,France hanging on to Germany's tail ,immigration out of control ,did you know that over a quarter of belgiums economy is funded by the EU ?did you know a year before Greece went tits up Germany done the biggest arms sale to Greece ? We do not need the EU they need us ,,,,,get the Bananarama! out and let merkal have it w do not need it anymore
I think the overwhelming balance of the MMA are of a certain age, and probably not indicative of the British population. Whilst we were watching and having fun the world changed.
Pete wrote:I think the overwhelming balance of the MMA are of a certain age, and probably not indicative of the British population. Whilst we were watching and having fun the world changed.
I think you may have a point there Mr chairman Sir.
I`m only a youngster though
Lifes Too Fast But The Car`s Not, It even managed to miss the boat twice.
Now passed customs.
Now on route.
Now in posession.
Now costing me sh*t loads.
Not sure we can pigeon hole all those that have voiced an opinion are of the age you hint at. I for one am 36 unless you are talking about pre-mid life crisis guys.
Pete wrote:I think the overwhelming balance of the MMA are of a certain age, and probably not indicative of the British population. Whilst we were watching and having fun the world changed.
I think it's a case of the outs being far more vocal rather than being in the majority. I suspect on the day the "I don't know what to do for the best, so better the devil you know" vote will be in the majority.
The whole farm subsidies thing I don't really understand, why is the price of milk etc. being manipulated? who gains from that? I suspect it wouldn't make the slightest bit of difference to anyone here if milk was double the price....
