EU Dragons Den Debate - IN or OUT?

Pete · Post by **Pete** » Fri Feb 19, 16 10:58 am

The bit I do not understand is exactly WHAT would the Government change if we did exit the EU.

For all I know, most of the things people complain about could still stay in place due to other treaty / legal / economic reasons.

I get the feeling that Dave and the wallpaper seller are making it up as they go along.

MilesnMiles · Post by **MilesnMiles** » Fri Feb 19, 16 11:07 am

Don't listen to Mike, he's never left these shores! My favourite Little Englander

mad machs · Post by **mad machs** » Fri Feb 19, 16 11:15 am

MilesnMiles wrote: My favourite Little Englander

Oi! I take exception to that

MilesnMiles · Post by **MilesnMiles** » Fri Feb 19, 16 11:16 am

Erm Mike, wasn't it the EU that gave Cornwall a dedicated status recently

mad machs · Post by **mad machs** » Fri Feb 19, 16 11:18 am

MilesnMiles wrote:Erm Mike, wasn't it the EU that gave Cornwall a dedicated status recently

Nope, we didn't need your mates in Brussels to tell or give us that.

MilesnMiles · Post by **MilesnMiles** » Fri Feb 19, 16 12:14 pm

They do good lager and chocolates over there you know.

Ivor · Post by **Ivor** » Fri Feb 19, 16 1:45 pm

I'm extremely impressed with the way this debate has continued without everyone falling out or getting abusive, though some have chosen to turn to the stereotypical monikas in a sneaky (but not nasty) effort to belittle those with strong feelings on the subject.

Having worked within the EU for the past 30 years, yeah, I kept that quiet, but everyone's got to earn a crust! I've seen first hand what damage this lumbering behemoth can do, particular to smaller businesses.

I've seen first hand how countries manipulate or ignore EU regulations to their own advantage and as Dave correctly pointed out, the French are past masters...of course we British wouldn't dream of doing that, it's not cricket!

As with every important vote the British public has to make, we rely on the media and so-called independent reports (God forbid that they might be government funded) on which to make our judgements and you cannot make a decision based on that.

Real world experience and hard learnt knowledge gleaned from trusted sources, including accurate and truthful testimonials from those who have won or lost under the EU regime is what we we need.

But you can bet we won't get it.

MilesnMiles · Post by **MilesnMiles** » Fri Feb 19, 16 3:06 pm

Good point Ivor, about testimonials. The college I work at is one of the best in the country (although Ofsted arrive next week and may differ!) by any relevant criteria. It was largely funded in the early days by EU money as Cornwall was seen as underdeveloped which also attracted EU Objective One funding.
Was it spent wisely? Who knows, who has the books? I don't know but the contribution in terms of bricks and mortar is there.
A reason to stay in the EU? Not necessarily, but the arguments for and against encompass such a wide range of issues that reducing it to simple arguments for a Yes/No vote doesn't suit the complexity of the matter. The unfortunate alternative is letting Parliament decide.
A brief history for those who care
1973 Pm Heath signs Treaty of Rome and we enter the EEC (Common market)
1975 PM Wilson gives referendum on stay or go. Voters decide to stay
1986 PM Thacther signs Single European Act and the EU becomes imminent
1991/2 PM Major signs Maastricht Treaty and we enter EU with opt out option on single currency
PMs Blair and Brown sign Amsterdam (enlargement) and Lisbon treaties ( Presidency of EU etc)
2016 PM Cameron to grant referendum. Not yet a done deal.

Dave999 · Post by **Dave999** » Fri Feb 19, 16 3:12 pm

letting Frenchman dictate your destiny is like letting monkey fly plane

very very dangerous

Apologise, my Engleesh is a leettle bit not better

Dave

Dave999 · Post by **Dave999** » Fri Feb 19, 16 3:17 pm

Miles, you can always tell if a country or county is underdeveloped

Omo is the washing powder of choice, DOT is used for cleaning toilets Bardhal is the oil of choice, both for cooking and cars and Texaco brand themselves as Caltex.

I have only ever spotted Omo in Cornwall so I think you are ok

Dave

mad machs · Post by **mad machs** » Fri Feb 19, 16 3:23 pm

Dave999 wrote:

I have only ever spotted Omo in Cornwall so I think you are ok

post surf brush up

latil · Post by **latil** » Fri Feb 19, 16 3:51 pm

Mother always used OMO until it went off the market,replaced by Surf.

MilesnMiles · Post by **MilesnMiles** » Fri Feb 19, 16 4:12 pm

You must all be right as I went SURFing this week, but no OMO in sight!

Trigger_Andy · Post by **Trigger_Andy** » Fri Feb 19, 16 6:39 pm

Still available in Norway, Ive never seen it before that. Saying that Ive only ever used a washing machine twice in my life and grey towels ensures that will be the last two times as well.

latil wrote:Mother always used OMO until it went off the market,replaced by Surf.

db · Post by db » Fri Feb 19, 16 8:01 pm

Wow! I've avoided this thread like a bad smell as I expected it to be full of rants and stereotype insults.
I'm proud of you all, even Mister Walton

Personally I don't know which way to go. I hate the EU, but no more than I hate our own govt.
As a Welshie, I view London much the same as you lot view Brussels- a foreign power I didn't vote for, thinking up stupid
laws to bugger up our lives!