EU Dragons Den Debate - IN or OUT?

Pete · Post by **Pete** » Sun Feb 21, 16 2:41 pm

Well the starting gun has gone off and the bit that scares me the most is that everyone seems to be hanging on the advice and every word of Boris Johnson.

Just spin forward a few years and you have Boris as PM and Trumpf as President. Does that prospect make you feel all warm and fuzzy?

Trigger_Andy · Post by **Trigger_Andy** » Sun Feb 21, 16 3:56 pm

Pete wrote:Well the starting gun has gone off and the bit that scares me the most is that everyone seems to be hanging on the advice and every word of Boris Johnson.

Just spin forward a few years and you have Boris as PM and Trumpf as President. Does that prospect make you feel all warm and fuzzy?

Yes actually.

Obama has been the US worse president in living memory and that's saying something after Bush. ObamaCare has screwed the majority of the working class, the open border with Mexico is a joke and never has there been so much controversy with race with Obama constantly stirring the pot.

mad machs · Post by **mad machs** » Sun Feb 21, 16 4:33 pm

Pete wrote:Trumpf as President.

You mean Sir Donald Trump of Camelot.

http://www.cornishman.co.uk/Tintagel-ho ... story.html

Trigger_Andy · Post by **Trigger_Andy** » Sun Feb 21, 16 4:54 pm

Not my Norwegian Trumf card?

mad machs wrote:
Pete wrote:Trumpf as President.

You mean Sir Donald Trump of Camelot.

http://www.cornishman.co.uk/Tintagel-ho ... story.html

MilesnMiles · Post by **MilesnMiles** » Sun Feb 21, 16 6:36 pm

Andy, put the scotch down and do some reading; the incarceration rate of Black and Hispanic Americans is unparalleled in history. The poverty rate of blacks in every state in America is at least 2:1 and often 3:1 of whites.
It's about time Obama made a call on race.
As for the Mexican border, are you aware that Obama deported so many Hispanic illegals that the ACLU and other human rights groups have criticised him?
Healthcare causing poverty for the working classes. Be sensible. The living wage for Americans has been falling for decades and an average 30 something male (of any colour) is now earning less in real times than his father or grandfather did. Check the Pew Foundation for stats on the above.
It's not down to any one president, rather the advanced state of wealth accumulation in fewer hands over the past three decades.
Such matters are beyond mere presidents.
In some respects Trump and Sanders have more in common than you might think; both seek to represent the angry dispossesed of the USA, but have different solutions.
Actually, I don't know if Trump has any solutions. In all the time I've taught American politics I don't think I've ever seen someone so singularly unprepared for high office.
Makes me nostalgic for Ross Perot (look 'I'm up, nice short soundbite video called 'Giant sucking sound' 1992).

MilesnMiles · Post by **MilesnMiles** » Sun Feb 21, 16 7:11 pm

Boris joins the 'outs', jeez, Cameeon will be fuming! Interesting tactic from Boris; London has one of the lowest UKIP!folwoing of any city in the UK. What's the plan from the tousled haired one

mad machs · Post by **mad machs** » Sun Feb 21, 16 7:19 pm

A Eurosceptic to watch is Jacob Rees Mogg, so far he's proved to be of substance rather that the backbench Bertie Wooster he's portrayed as.

The Out team have some big guns, let us hope their campaign is successful and we can leave the cluster muck that is the EU.

Trigger_Andy · Post by **Trigger_Andy** » Sun Feb 21, 16 7:35 pm

Miles, I have my opinions and you have yours, as you stated earlier in the thread that's what it boils down too. I'll deal with your comments later but please refrain from personal insults. I've not made any to you nor do I intend too. Let's keep this civil.

db · Post by db » Sun Feb 21, 16 8:04 pm

I'm so glad you're here Miles. I find it so depressing how thoroughly fooled most of the population of Europe and the U.S. are by the b.s. spewed out by the money. It's so much like The Matrix, only once you educate yourself to the real goings-on (which isn't that difficult) you realise how blinded you've been. The machine is so powerful, so all-encompassing, so entrenched in our psyche that only those who sense there's something deeply wrong with a society that relies on hate will look behind the facade and see the reality behind it.

Trigger_Andy · Post by **Trigger_Andy** » Sun Feb 21, 16 8:52 pm

Miles, have you ever heard the expression, 'those that cant , teach?'. Certain people find they have no place in the real world and cocoon themselves in the make believe la la land that only exists in Uni's and Collage. Where they are fed politically correct BS with cobbled together figures and 'studies' that 'Lay persons' have no real way of counteracting. They believe this mantra utterly as thats what pays their wages. This I believe is how we have ended up in a world where Uni's now have 'Safe-Space, Gender Identification,Racial Microaggressions, Trigger warnings, Mansplaining, one I really love is how we now should describe a poor person, so instead of saying poor we're encouraged to say ''persons who lack advantages that others have, low economic status related to a person's education, occupation and income.

So Im sorry but in my opinion you live in la la land. A state funded la la land where it seems like you're paid to teach the propaganda the government want us to believe. Of course your an ardent supporter of this, your very well being depends on it. If/when you get a non-state funded job in the real world I might be more inclined to believe what you say but until then you come across as another shill of the people who pay you.

Oh, and Im drinking Sipping Rum tonight. Made in my home Still and very nice it is too. My Whiskey needs a few more years before its ready but its getting there.

Im visiting my Grandad in the Summer, he's from down your way it would be great to have a pint one day and thrash this one out, hopefully I would not come across in the same light as many seem to think I do.

MilesnMiles · Post by **MilesnMiles** » Sun Feb 21, 16 10:02 pm

Andy, I was going to apologise for suggesting as a Scotsman you might be having a drink, it was meant to play on stereotype, but as you've decided to go full bore I'll reply.
I'm 56 years old and left school at 16. I worked in the private sector for 20 years on a variety of jobs and ended up working my way up to middle management in plant hire. I decided that fancied a change so I went to UNi as a mature student, got my degree In politics and then qualified as a lecturer.
You don' t know anything about me so don't make a judgement. Furthermore, for years youve hidden behind that keyboard of yours bashing about opinions without meeting any of us.
Why don't you shut the Bananarama! up and leave the rest of us alone.
There, I said it.
Over to you mods, I'm done. It's always you Andy, and you've done it agian.

Trigger_Andy · Post by **Trigger_Andy** » Sun Feb 21, 16 10:06 pm

So you intentionally wind me up, knowing full well you are and when you get the response you expected you say your done and its over to the Mods?

Righto.

Anyway, from your own admission you left the real world 20 years ago. Not sure what I said has any less merit.