I won't say too much as I was a reluctant 'remainer', but I agree with Blue and Dave. Cameron's stupid gamble which was always about the Tory leadership and not the UK's interest.
Secondly, as Blue suggests, there is real and quite visceral anger at the 'political class' in the UK. After 6 years of austerity and uncontrolled immigration it was an accident waiting to happen.
I fear for the economy more than anything else.
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I must admit I did not see that coming. I was pretty sure people would gravitate to the status quo. Having said that the Remain campaign needs to look itself in the mirror. To be honest it seems to have shown exactly the same arrogance and intransigence that is really the main problem with the EU (and that very likely will cause the runaway “EU project” train to eventually crash). Even today I STILL see people lamenting the ‘racist’ Leavers (52%), I’ve just overheard someone saying that most people who voted Leave weren’t intelligent enough to understand the issues, blah blah (unlike them of course). That’s EXACTLY the attitude that normal people got fed up with and led to this in the first place. I’m not talking about the ACTUAL extremists, of which there are always some, on both sides.
It’s this utter refusal to acknowledge that some people can legitimately hold a different view to theirs without being stupid, bigoted, little-Englanders etc that did for the Remain vote, which could have been won, and yet they still don’t see that problem. They appear incapable of reform, which in my view was really the same reason line why Leave may marginally have been the better option – the EU elite will not be swayed from their political, personal, mission, come what may, and no matter what the cost to millions of Europeans suffering under austerity, record youth unemployment etc..
But it is not going to be a joyride for sure, it’s worrying, and I regret it came to this. But maybe not quite as worrying as staying on the runaway train.
It’s this utter refusal to acknowledge that some people can legitimately hold a different view to theirs without being stupid, bigoted, little-Englanders etc that did for the Remain vote, which could have been won, and yet they still don’t see that problem. They appear incapable of reform, which in my view was really the same reason line why Leave may marginally have been the better option – the EU elite will not be swayed from their political, personal, mission, come what may, and no matter what the cost to millions of Europeans suffering under austerity, record youth unemployment etc..
But it is not going to be a joyride for sure, it’s worrying, and I regret it came to this. But maybe not quite as worrying as staying on the runaway train.
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Absolutely. The Daily Mail's pages of photographs of immigrants climbing out of lorries arriving in England, and Nigel Farage's famous poster showed people from the middle east and Africa, which is nothing to do with the EU, and we supposedly can already control our borders from those non-EU immigrants. We're just not very good at it.Blue wrote:I think the vote rapidly turned into a vote of dissatisfaction by people that felt hard done by for various reasons a lot of it nothing to do with the EU.
It was Tony Blair's Labour government that opened the door to millions of immigrants from the middle east and beyond, and they are still arriving. It is that that has changed the face of Britain's cities, not any EU edict. Add to that the influx from eastern European member countries (a smaller figure) and we end up with the immigration crisis that has put us where we find ourselves today.