440 oil pan / sump. (topic renamed)

[morgan]

What is this ?

Old 440 has a couple of bolts. This one has what looks to be a couple of snipped off tubes rather than bolts ??

[Blue]

That looks like whats left of a petcock for draining down the block. What did I win?

[Blue]

Also, don't be surprised if the front of that oil pan hits the crimped lip of the K frame, you often need to grind a bit off for some clearance clarance...

[morgan]

You won a bonus question !
For the GRAND prize the new question is "Does it matter ? Will it leak ? Should it be a bolt ?" (I am kind of assuming it doesnt matter as it clearly hasnt been used for a while.)

[morgan]

Also, don't be surprised if the front of that oil pan hits the crimped lip of the K frame, you often need to grind a bit off for some clearance clarance...

No problemo. Manly sparks in the garage !

[Blue]

It probably won't leak as no doubt it was seized shut when the rest of it broke off. As standard it would have a pipe plug in there, 3/8"NPT if memory serves. Getting back to that oil pan, it looks considerably deeper than stock, if your car sits low that might not end well...

[morgan]

I pop back out later and have a measure. It does look kinda aggressive - and (much to Petes disgust) I dont need it for racin' so if the stock has to go on there I'm not bothered. Gived me something else to paint silver and offend the purists

[Blue]

I reckon that will hang about 2" lower than the K frame. Swapping on the stock pan might not be as straightforward as you'd think. The hot tip with big blocks is to tap out the oil pick up boss to 1/2" NPT from the stock 3/8", I bet Bob's had at it...

[morgan]

Never simple eh ? Assume the bore of pickup not an issue but it may need a bit of shortening...
I will have a measure; see where I'm at and if it comes to it pop it off and have a look.
Ta.

EDIT - Hmmm. As ever, da Blue man is right. Of course which I have in there is anyones guess

[morgan]

OK - Can confirm that the sump is indeed a full 2" over stock (5" stock, 7" this one). So it'll hang low. Maybe even lower than headers.

Now, on the pickup I cant of course tell whether its been tapped out to 1/2" - but it seems a safe assumption that it will be a long pickup either way.
So options on the table are -
- Pop it in as is (this was planA) and assess the 2" problem then.
- Pop the sump off and have a look at the pickup which will either be short/long (likely long) AND either 3/8 or 1/2".
- If short, no problem, change sump
- If long 3/8, no problem. Take the pickup AND the sump from old engine.
- If long 1/2 then assess if current can be modified/bent or whether different pickup needs to be sourced.

Grrr.

[Blue]

Well the oil pan appears to be a Moroso 20760, so the pick up will be either 24150 or 24800. So, if it's 1/2", cut off the adaptor on the end and weld that to your stock pick up and jobs a mediocre 'un....

[morgan]

Dry run install, yes. Hangs 1.5-2” below k frame.

Pipe Half inch i think. Bloomin’ racers...
Trying to remove now; will then remove regular and get the long machined to be the same length. ( assuming the short one isnt by some miracle also half inch)

[morgan]

Well I cant shift it. There is a limit to what can be done on a hoist I think - it needs putting on a stand and tipping upside down...
One step forward, 2 steps back... these old cars huh ?

[Blue]

Yes the pickup will be in there tight. On a more positive note, there isn't usually a great deal of "meat" left around the pickup boss when it's tapped out so you just might be be lucky....

[morgan]

Yep...