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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 10 8:55 pm
by jerry
Brutus wrote: get a dip stick/sight glass on that motor on rebuild.
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Dip stick - Never had one on the B1 or the Hemi, haven't even got one on the BMW.

Excluding the BM, I change my oil more than some people change there pants.
Race motors, even more of a reason to do it, whats the cost of a couple of gallons oil, compared to a new motor.

Unless your burning loads of oil or loosing it, then usage will be minimal

Oil guides were always on the loose side on the B1, never had an issue though

The oil must of been running like a tap into the chambers to do the sort of hydraulic damage Bob is talking about, which seems highly unlikely.

Had one head spring a leak through a bad or porous part of the casting, this really did hydraulic the motor. Admittedly. I stopped as soon as heard motor labouring to turn over.

Hole was less than the size of a pin diameter, didn't notice till I water pressured / tested.

No damage to bores or pistons, just opened up hole in head to get to good metal, welded & re profiled chamber to same as pre welded.

Bob, I think you need to investigate further, as something doesn't sound right to me ? Unless like I said, oil was running past the stems faster than a running tap.

How much oil have you got going to the heads ? I only had bare minimum, to ensure pushrods were getting sufficient oil. I always pulled v/covers after each run, checked lash & gave pushrods a squirt of oil from a can (Belt & Braces :D )

John,
Apologies for crashing your thread.

Canton & Aqua sump are both good, solenoid operated is the best way to go in my opinion, once less thing to worry about turning on at the track. You can always fit an inline pressure warning gauge if your uncomfortable about trusting solenoid to work, or wire solenoid on the N/O circuit to a warning device.

Posted: Mon Aug 23, 10 5:18 pm
by Anonymous
I hear what you're saying regards changing oil often in a race orientated engine so the need for a dipstick/sight glass is'nt neccesary , But :D , pulling valve covers every run to oil top end adds oil capacity , so before long you don't know how much oil is sitting in the sump pan , maybe adding oil will compensate for the oil being burnt who knows :D , all that's needed is a bolt to be welded in the sump pan & job done , motor plates/solid mounts can rattle bolts loose causing oil leaks , had the front timing cover come loose (gear drive :shock: ) & lost around 1/2 gallon of oil down track :shock: , topped up with oil in pits & all was good , if i was'nt using a dip stick all the oil would have to be drained in order to know correct capacity on refill. (2 gallons)

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Posted: Mon Aug 23, 10 6:12 pm
by Blue
When I bought the fabricated oil pan for the Dart, it had no dipstick provision. I looked at the pro and cons of not having one, or making a sight glass instead. In the end it just seemed to me it would end up being a pain not having a 'stick so I modified the pan to accept one. I gather you have to do away with it or seal it when using a vacuum pump.

Posted: Mon Sep 06, 10 10:17 am
by Jon Connolly
This is what I`m fitting, I have all the bits but is alot heavier than I thought.

This set up provides automatic pre oiling and surge control and gives me approx 30 secs worth of spare oil capacity should the worst happen. ( Hopefully enough time to save my motor )

;)

Posted: Wed Sep 22, 10 8:54 am
by Jon Connolly
I would recommend these to anyone

It is very reassuring looking over and seeing you have a reserve of oil ready.

The pre lubing is great too, takes 5 seconds only, then the motor is ready to go

The other thing is it is a nice bit of ballast that you can mount anywhere in the car

;)

Posted: Wed Sep 22, 10 9:44 am
by Ivor
Just look at all that extra weight! ;)

Posted: Wed Sep 22, 10 9:54 am
by Jon Connolly
I know

Tipping the scales at over 2600 lbs now ... all " productive " weight though

:lol:

Posted: Wed Sep 22, 10 9:50 pm
by Mick
John
Is that with you in it.
Mick

Posted: Thu Sep 23, 10 8:06 am
by Jon Connolly
Yes Mick

2619 lbs race weight ready to go with me in it


p.s. ... Congratulations on your times. Didn`t realise it was you ... the respray confused me

Posted: Thu Sep 23, 10 9:15 am
by andyrob
jon you posh git with your solinod operated sump, ive only every used manual
AS brutus says total pain not having dipstick on my B1, always paranoid about how much oil's in her, even my circuit race cars have either dipsticks or oil level gauge, it ok say yeh just put think much oil in, but makes no allowences for oil cooler size/cooler line lenght etc

Posted: Thu Sep 23, 10 9:45 am
by Jon Connolly
Andy

Next time your missus says she never knows what to buy you for Christmas you can tell her to get you a " Canton Racing ecs valve for an Accusump reservoir " :lol:

I don`t use a dipstick now either, but do check the oil level after each couple of runs ... also visual check for oil leaks around each fitting.

Posted: Thu Sep 23, 10 1:19 pm
by Mick
Thanks Jon
I managed to break the starter on sat but luckily had a spare, i'm pretty sure there's a bit more in the motor, as the car was spinning the wheels and hitting the limiter with open headers, nevertheless i'm well chuffed.
That is unbelievably light but i know you've put a lot of time into the car and it has paid off with great times. well done.
Mick