Clunker laws for the UK?

[Ivor]

Looks like the the powers that be have got the wrong end of the stick again...

The motor industry is getting behind proposals for a vehicle scrappage policy, after sending a paper of ideas to Lord Mandelson.

Suggestions from the Retail Motor Industry Federation (RMIF) for implementation of a car and light van scrappage scheme include:

Should apply to cars and light vans producing more than 150g/km CO2 and over eight years old
Needs to be a worthwhile incentive, i.e. £2000 as it needs to be worth more than the likely trade-value for the car
The scheme must be set at a level to promote customer buying new cars, therefore reducing high CO2 emissions.
The vehicle needs to be destroyed so not to further pollute. The car dealer should arrange for collection and scrapping. A certificate of destruction from the dismantlers will be provided to claim the incentive for the customer and prove the car cannot go back into service and pollute.
The scheme must be self funding.
It needs to exist for a meaningful period of time, such as one year.
RMIF said advantages would include reduction in CO2 emissions and increased sales tax from car sales for the government.

Society of Manufacturers and Motor Traders (SMMT) also said it was in direct contact with the government about vehicle scrappage proposals and while it has not seen RMIF suggestions, it expected its own to be along a similar line.

An RMIF spokesman could not say when a reply was expected from Lord Mandelson. Sue Robinson, RMIF trade associations director will meet Angela Eagle MP, Exchequer Secretary to discuss the issue on 24 February.

It is also speaking to opposition parties about the matter including Mark Prisk MP, who has responsibility for the motor industry within the Conservative Shadow business team.The motor industry is getting behind proposals for a vehicle scrappage policy, after sending a paper of ideas to Lord Mandelson.

Suggestions from the Retail Motor Industry Federation (RMIF) for implementation of a car and light van scrappage scheme include:

Should apply to cars and light vans producing more than 150g/km CO2 and over eight years old
Needs to be a worthwhile incentive, i.e. £2000 as it needs to be worth more than the likely trade-value for the car
The scheme must be set at a level to promote customer buying new cars, therefore reducing high CO2 emissions.
The vehicle needs to be destroyed so not to further pollute. The car dealer should arrange for collection and scrapping. A certificate of destruction from the dismantlers will be provided to claim the incentive for the customer and prove the car cannot go back into service and pollute.
The scheme must be self funding.
It needs to exist for a meaningful period of time, such as one year.
RMIF said advantages would include reduction in CO2 emissions and increased sales tax from car sales for the government.

Society of Manufacturers and Motor Traders (SMMT) also said it was in direct contact with the government about vehicle scrappage proposals and while it has not seen RMIF suggestions, it expected its own to be along a similar line.

An RMIF spokesman could not say when a reply was expected from Lord Mandelson. Sue Robinson, RMIF trade associations director will meet Angela Eagle MP, Exchequer Secretary to discuss the issue on 24 February.

It is also speaking to opposition parties about the matter including Mark Prisk MP, who has responsibility for the motor industry within the Conservative Shadow business team.

[latil]

Sodding global warming enviro scams. Of course the car makers are behind it,they wil sell more cars and not have to make/stock parts for older ones. And on an 8 year life span cars will be written off at a day old for a dent.

[Scooby]

Ivor.
I wouldn't take to much notice of this idea from the RMIF I used to deal with them a few years ago they were keen to set up an approved body repair network scheme. Supporting all the crash repair shop Nation wide.
You became a member and for some outrageous fee they would supply you with all their- support-back up.

This never happened they had big ideas but couldn't back it up.
They've had plenty of them over the years.!!
Richard.

[Charger]

the wrong end of the stick again ...

I would like to see the case against the environmental impact of driving my Charger a few thousand miles a year .vs. the environmental impact for it to be dismantled/scrapped + the environmental impact of the manufacture of a new vehicle

it just doesn’t add up

what better way to ‘recycle’ than to re-use a 40 year old vehicle

[Ivor]

Ivor.
I wouldn't take to much notice of this idea from the RMIF I used to deal with them a few years ago they were keen to set up an approved body repair network scheme. Supporting all the crash repair shop Nation wide.
You became a member and for some outrageous fee they would supply you with all their- support-back up.

This never happened they had big ideas but couldn't back it up.
They've had plenty of them over the years.!!
Richard.

Tell me about it Richard, I've been in the industry 30 odd years, the RMI, MVRA, BRIC and now PAS 125 are having a go...all these schemes are set up with the best intentions and in the end all they to do is line consultant's pockets rather than bring the crash repair industry together...either way, the insurance companies and work providers don't have to shell out, only the bodyshops!

I know the RMI are pretty toothless, but a heads up now on proposed clunker laws, is better than somebody sneaking it in through the back door without anybody noticing!

and well said Si!
what better way to ‘recycle’ than to re-use a 40 year old vehicle

[Pete]

Historic will be exempt, I bet; but my poor old Durango !!!

[db]

Didn't the US have some hair-brained scheme like this a few years ago? I seem to remember that companies had 'pollution scores' and they could gain credit by simply buying up and crushing old cars, saved 'em having to clean up their act for real

[Anonymous]

but surely keeping old cars on the road lpg converted and really really looked after is better than continuing to produce the amount of new cars that we do and then upping the scrap that we produce?

[Dave999]

its the Toyota prius issue again isn't it

is it better to pollute the environment making all that plastic wire circuit boards and batteries on top of the already high pollution factor for manufacter of a new car

or is it better to clunk about in a smokey old VW golf

the latter in my book...toodle pip

Dave

[AllKiller]

Here here Dave

[Ian Z]

I wonder what that chap who is currently living in/driving his 9 year old motor home around the country looking for a job is going to do?

I think its no coincidence that said government are in no small part responsible for his current predicament?

[Philth]

This is based on a scheme launched/to be launched in Germany and possibly other European countries. The scheme there is purely voluntary, and if ever implimented here should be the same.

However, the powers-that-be in this country do tend to get the "wrong end of the stick" with many Euro-laws, always taking them at face value.

I won't hold my breath.

[Anonymous]

You lot need to read the Stern Report. we have some very stiff targets to meet by 2025 in terms of carbon emissions reductions. The Government will have to explore and pursue every potential avenue.

The big problem is not the casual user (as we are, and has already been touched upon above). Its the daily/lazy user to drives to his next door neighbour etc.

The biggest reduction has to come from improving public transport throughout the whole country to the degree that it becomes much more sensible to use it, than it is to use our cars, planes etc. for travel throughout the UK. Once the infrastructure is in place, then watch out for the levvies placed on the modes of transport the government doesn't want you to use.

In the words of the great Bachman Turner Overdrive - you ain't seen nothing yet



do doooooo na na na baybee, you aint seen nothin yet tra laaaa na na na baybeee etc. etc. ad infinitum.

[latil]

West Sussex CC who run our buses cant even co ordinate a bus to town from the college that WSCC also run. what hope? Also,buses don't come to my door when I need them and there is no bus that can get Fi to work and back on the same day. The while system is next to useless except in the cities.

[Anonymous]

Us country boys don't matter steve - you know that