firstly, Happy New Year to everyone.
I'm after recommendations on what is the best oil filter to use on my 318.
got the engine running this weekend gone, after being off the road for a year +.
I removed the existing oil pressure switch and fitted a gauge in its place,I fitted a Fram PH43 filter with 30w/10 oil.
on running the gauge is reading nothing,during acceration the gauge creeps up the drops off and the engine seems noisy.
I'm reading a lot of conflicting info on the Fram filters, like dont touch with a barge pole,etc.
regards
andy
oil filter
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Re: oil filter
I would expect to use a 20W 50 or 10W40 oil.
Was it noisy before the change?
Was it noisy before the change?
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Re: oil filter
Hi Matt,
Got it wrong it is 10W-40
The top half has had a freshen up, valves reseated and new valve stem seals.
Didn’t seem to be as noisy before!
Got it wrong it is 10W-40
The top half has had a freshen up, valves reseated and new valve stem seals.
Didn’t seem to be as noisy before!
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how does the oil get to the rockers?
if it is up through the rockers shafts have you left or lost a plug in the end of the shaft or is one of the rockers so far off its oil hole its allowing it all to come out
fram filters use a similar plastic and paper set up as many others.... they work.... its a case of too many people opening them up and finding parts that used to be metal made of plastic....doesn't mean there is anything particularly wrong with them.
oil filters and oil
the stuff that you get a jiffy lube and pep boys in the states, big francised oil change places is cheap and designed to be changed regularly. i.e the kind of geezer who goes to Pep Boys or jiffy lube every month to get his lube jiffied would never notice becasue the oil filter is on there such a short time so there is a case for you get what you pay for.
is your oil pump relief valve jammed. i'm not up on the 318 is the pump accessible from the outside to check?
last but not least on many small blocks there are a few pressed in caps and blockages to direct the oil. There is a pressed in cap between the inlet and the outlet of the filter in the block
its situated down the gallery.
if it come out you have decent oil pressure but no filtering at all. hard to check id guess
other plugs
2 at the back of the block. you would have oil pouring out of the converter housing
and 1 or 2 at the front behind the timing cover. if they come out you can't tell. other than no oil pressure
think the timing chain needs to come off for access.. if you use a hex headed grub screw instead make sure the end doesn't drag on the chain and that you do not put it in so far as to block off the oil gallery as it comes round the corner.
if you need to tap the end of the gallery for a grub screw
fill the end with grease
tap it to size
then spin the oil pump to blow the greasy swarf out (think you need to pull dizzy and its drive to do that).
someone with a v8 will be able to say.
but it sounds like you have no oil pressure
if you take the pump off take if its lid and check that the impeller is still attached to the end of the shaft
takes tonnes to press them on or off the shaft but you never know. i only rebuilt one but it took 2 machine shops to find a person willing to wind his press up to reiculouse to take off a good impeller and swap it onto a good shaft for me. you don't need to worry you can buy new oil pump for a v8
Dave
if it is up through the rockers shafts have you left or lost a plug in the end of the shaft or is one of the rockers so far off its oil hole its allowing it all to come out
fram filters use a similar plastic and paper set up as many others.... they work.... its a case of too many people opening them up and finding parts that used to be metal made of plastic....doesn't mean there is anything particularly wrong with them.
oil filters and oil
the stuff that you get a jiffy lube and pep boys in the states, big francised oil change places is cheap and designed to be changed regularly. i.e the kind of geezer who goes to Pep Boys or jiffy lube every month to get his lube jiffied would never notice becasue the oil filter is on there such a short time so there is a case for you get what you pay for.
is your oil pump relief valve jammed. i'm not up on the 318 is the pump accessible from the outside to check?
last but not least on many small blocks there are a few pressed in caps and blockages to direct the oil. There is a pressed in cap between the inlet and the outlet of the filter in the block
its situated down the gallery.
if it come out you have decent oil pressure but no filtering at all. hard to check id guess
other plugs
2 at the back of the block. you would have oil pouring out of the converter housing
and 1 or 2 at the front behind the timing cover. if they come out you can't tell. other than no oil pressure
think the timing chain needs to come off for access.. if you use a hex headed grub screw instead make sure the end doesn't drag on the chain and that you do not put it in so far as to block off the oil gallery as it comes round the corner.
if you need to tap the end of the gallery for a grub screw
fill the end with grease
tap it to size
then spin the oil pump to blow the greasy swarf out (think you need to pull dizzy and its drive to do that).
someone with a v8 will be able to say.
but it sounds like you have no oil pressure
if you take the pump off take if its lid and check that the impeller is still attached to the end of the shaft
takes tonnes to press them on or off the shaft but you never know. i only rebuilt one but it took 2 machine shops to find a person willing to wind his press up to reiculouse to take off a good impeller and swap it onto a good shaft for me. you don't need to worry you can buy new oil pump for a v8
Dave
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Hi Dave,
The rocker shafts are a common rail with the rockers positioned by each push rod which are solid, so I'm assuming that the oil is pumped around the heads to everything.
At first start up the oil pressure sat at aroung 55psi, but then fell away and now on idle just sits at virtually 0 and does go up when rpm is higher. No oil plugs or anything was removed apart from the heads, which were freshened up. You'll have to excuse me, if some of this dosent make sense as I'm a novice at this.
cheers
Andy
The rocker shafts are a common rail with the rockers positioned by each push rod which are solid, so I'm assuming that the oil is pumped around the heads to everything.
At first start up the oil pressure sat at aroung 55psi, but then fell away and now on idle just sits at virtually 0 and does go up when rpm is higher. No oil plugs or anything was removed apart from the heads, which were freshened up. You'll have to excuse me, if some of this dosent make sense as I'm a novice at this.
cheers
Andy
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Check you have the rocker shafts fitted correctly, the ends are notched, a quick google will show you the correct orientation and the oiling holes for the rockers should face down (can't see them when correctly fitted). While you are in there make sure you don't have a push rod misplaced, it is possible one has missed the lifter when you fitted it which would cause the symptoms you are describing.
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ah yes never thought of that
pushrod sitting on the edge of the lifter rather than in the seat.....
i guess a collapsed one might cause an issue as well....
Novice....rubbish.... the fact that you explained what the problem was and got an oil pressure gauge on it indicates otherwise....
apologies for my stream on conscience ramble, I know nout about v8s
55Lb doesn't sound excessive so i doubt you blew out an oil gallery plug..
given your work on the rockers i think blue has it sussed
it would be mega bad luck for a tiny bit of grott to have fallen in and jammed the pump relief valve given the quantity of horrible stuff usually found in the sump anyway...
dave
pushrod sitting on the edge of the lifter rather than in the seat.....
i guess a collapsed one might cause an issue as well....
Novice....rubbish.... the fact that you explained what the problem was and got an oil pressure gauge on it indicates otherwise....
apologies for my stream on conscience ramble, I know nout about v8s
55Lb doesn't sound excessive so i doubt you blew out an oil gallery plug..
given your work on the rockers i think blue has it sussed
it would be mega bad luck for a tiny bit of grott to have fallen in and jammed the pump relief valve given the quantity of horrible stuff usually found in the sump anyway...
dave
The Greater Knapweed near the Mugwort by the Buckthorn tree is dying
Re: oil filter
cheers guys
I will have a look this weekend and let you know what I find.
I will have a look this weekend and let you know what I find.
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Morning Blue, Dave,
So I’ve removed the rocker cover on the left side and yes the the rocker shaft is on upside down. The notch and the oiling oils all on top
.
But here’s the other thing, looking at the drawing you supplied, it seems I have the heads on wrong sides as well.
The drawing says that the oil way for this side is the 2nd fixing in from the front and should be 2nd from back on the other side. Well I’m looking at the head and there is an opened out hole on one of the fixing points on the head, which is 2nd from back. So I’m guessing the heads are on wrong side as well.
Andy
So I’ve removed the rocker cover on the left side and yes the the rocker shaft is on upside down. The notch and the oiling oils all on top
.But here’s the other thing, looking at the drawing you supplied, it seems I have the heads on wrong sides as well.
The drawing says that the oil way for this side is the 2nd fixing in from the front and should be 2nd from back on the other side. Well I’m looking at the head and there is an opened out hole on one of the fixing points on the head, which is 2nd from back. So I’m guessing the heads are on wrong side as well.
Andy
Re: oil filter
You can't get the heads on the wrong side, they are not handed. Refit the rocker shafts with the holes pointing down and oil holes lined up and all will be well.
This should help,
https://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/th ... on.416613/
This should help,
https://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/th ... on.416613/
“It’s good enough for Nancy”
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Getting back to your original question about which is the "best" oil filter, the short and not that flippant answer is "the one that fits correctly". I have read online independent tests of all the popular makes, method of construction, how many feet of filter material, thickness of canister blah blah blah. Standard Fram tends to score quite badly but there's no indication that even the worst is not up to the task required for the average user. Wix always score highly taking into account price as well as "quality", and that's what I've used for the past 10 years or so without issue. For the previous 20 years I used anything that fitted also without issue. So unless you're going racing, I wouldn't stress about the make.
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wouldn't worry about the diagram
Left and right depends if you are looking at the engine from the front or from the driver seat...if that is the bit that causes confusion
Dave
Left and right depends if you are looking at the engine from the front or from the driver seat...if that is the bit that causes confusion
Dave
The Greater Knapweed near the Mugwort by the Buckthorn tree is dying
Re: oil filter
thanks for the info guys.
Thankfully I'd only got the passenger side rocker shaft upside down.
Started her up and the oil pressure went up to 55Psi and stayed there, so things looking better.
Well they were until no-5 HT lead went up in smoke
Thankfully I'd only got the passenger side rocker shaft upside down.
Started her up and the oil pressure went up to 55Psi and stayed there, so things looking better.
Well they were until no-5 HT lead went up in smoke
Re: oil filter
Excellent result. Forum to the rescue! 
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Challenger Sam Posey Tribute car
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Re: oil filter
You have to keep the rear plug leads on the drivers side close to the valve cover or they will get burnt. I prefer to use plug leads with straight boots both ends to make routing easier.
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