Not sure if this has been asked before but....
Does anyone know, or has anyone tried to get an exact match for an old Chrysler/Dodge/Plymouth paint?
If I've got a PPG/Ditzler paint code is there anyway of cross referencing it to a current code?
We'd like to get our steel wheels painted in the PP1 Vermillion Red that has a PPG/Ditzler code of 71203.
Also, just heard from Dean Bailey with the other 63 (was at the 05 Nats), he wants to get his metallic blue matched but so far has drawn a blank.
Any ideas?
Calling all paint experts!!
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Hi Rob,
about to embark on a similar hunt myself. i Am trying to get the recipe for EW1 Alpine White. I have the code. I have been told by guys on an American MB that if you go to any reputable American paint / body shop they will tell you the mix straight away. It never seems to be a problem over there. You could try that????
about to embark on a similar hunt myself. i Am trying to get the recipe for EW1 Alpine White. I have the code. I have been told by guys on an American MB that if you go to any reputable American paint / body shop they will tell you the mix straight away. It never seems to be a problem over there. You could try that????
Hi Clivey
I was talkin to someone else a coupla weeks ago about this. He said he tried to get some paint for his 69 Sport Satellite (poss T5, Bronze Fire). He found someone who could tell him the mix but couldnt find anyone who had the actual colours required. And he's in the trade so should know where to get the materials as well as anyone.
Perhaps the American MB guys are thinking we have 'American paint / body shops' like they do, ie on every street corner with access to the same paints as they do. Its a nice thought.
Unless theyre suggesting we ask a shop over there, which might not be a bad idea.
Until we get told over here '(sharp intake of breath) not in that colour!'
Might be worth an email or 2 tho.
Thanks
I was talkin to someone else a coupla weeks ago about this. He said he tried to get some paint for his 69 Sport Satellite (poss T5, Bronze Fire). He found someone who could tell him the mix but couldnt find anyone who had the actual colours required. And he's in the trade so should know where to get the materials as well as anyone.
Perhaps the American MB guys are thinking we have 'American paint / body shops' like they do, ie on every street corner with access to the same paints as they do. Its a nice thought.
Unless theyre suggesting we ask a shop over there, which might not be a bad idea.
Until we get told over here '(sharp intake of breath) not in that colour!'
Might be worth an email or 2 tho.
Thanks
First of all, every Mopar colour can be mixed and matched accurately, no problem at all, the only thing you have make a decision on is whose paint are you going to use?
I have immediate access to avout 100,000 paint formulations going back donkey's year but you'll be amazed how you can find a Dodge colour but not the identical Plymouth alternative, so you need to know where to look.
I can get formulations for Glasurit and R-M paints, so if anyone needs a match, PM me and I'll do my best to get a formulation, which usually comes from the Chrysler originals in the States.
If you want a PPG formulation, you canalways try www.autocolorlibrary.com that has lots of the original colour chips available on line.
I have immediate access to avout 100,000 paint formulations going back donkey's year but you'll be amazed how you can find a Dodge colour but not the identical Plymouth alternative, so you need to know where to look.
I can get formulations for Glasurit and R-M paints, so if anyone needs a match, PM me and I'll do my best to get a formulation, which usually comes from the Chrysler originals in the States.
If you want a PPG formulation, you canalways try www.autocolorlibrary.com that has lots of the original colour chips available on line.
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Anonymous
Thanks one and all. Great response, as usual 
Think I'll take Ivor up on his offer initially.
Ivor, I'll find out from Dean which blue it is and let you know, but in the meantime, got anything for our red (PP1 Vermillion Red, PPG/Ditzler code 71203)?
I need to check also for both of us what colour the off-white stripe is supposed to be.
Clivey might be after some help also....
Think I'll take Ivor up on his offer initially.
Ivor, I'll find out from Dean which blue it is and let you know, but in the meantime, got anything for our red (PP1 Vermillion Red, PPG/Ditzler code 71203)?
I need to check also for both of us what colour the off-white stripe is supposed to be.
Clivey might be after some help also....
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Anonymous
Clivey?
Some more points on this......
Most importantly, just because it's in a database doesn't mean it's the right colour!!
Different paint manufacturers shades of the SAME paint can vary - for example the Sikkens Panther Pink is WAY off, the PPG is spot on.
I spent a LOT of time making sure I had the exact right shade of Panther Pink since it seems to vary so much.
I spoke with a guy with an original PP car while in the US. It looked right for a start (what I expected to see from other PP cars I'd seen). Also, he was able to confirm that the PPG (US) formula was spot on - he'd colour matched it to an unfaded part of his original paint before repainting the car.
PPG in the UK though did not have it on their database, so I got the recipe from PPG in the US and gave it to a dealer over here. In fact that's the only reason I went with a PPG paint, I could have got another brand for probably half the price!! Since PPG (Ditzler) were the OEM suppliers I guess they are the best bet in most cases, but I wouldn't rely on it.
Once I'd had it mixed, they put in on their UK database - but only using the info I'd given them. In other words, if I'd made up a recipe, called it 'Panther Pink', and asked them to mix it up it would have got on their database but it could have been green!!
Just thought I'd share that note of caution since a lot of people are painting cars. It depends on what you are trying to do whether it matters.
If you are repainting an entire car and just want a similar colour, it's not a problem, as long as you like the colour. Be prepared for parking next to another Mopar with the 'same' colour and finding it to be different!! If you like the colour then does that really matter?
If you are trying to match an existing colour then make sure you get a sample first.
To be honest, that is pretty much the best idea whatever you do IMHO - get a sample to check that you like the colour!!
In my case I had seen so many totally different shades of 'Panther Pink' in the US, some of which I didn't even like, that I wanted to be sure 1) I liked it, and 2) it was the REAL Panther Pink!!
Just my 2c
Most importantly, just because it's in a database doesn't mean it's the right colour!!
Different paint manufacturers shades of the SAME paint can vary - for example the Sikkens Panther Pink is WAY off, the PPG is spot on.
I spent a LOT of time making sure I had the exact right shade of Panther Pink since it seems to vary so much.
I spoke with a guy with an original PP car while in the US. It looked right for a start (what I expected to see from other PP cars I'd seen). Also, he was able to confirm that the PPG (US) formula was spot on - he'd colour matched it to an unfaded part of his original paint before repainting the car.
PPG in the UK though did not have it on their database, so I got the recipe from PPG in the US and gave it to a dealer over here. In fact that's the only reason I went with a PPG paint, I could have got another brand for probably half the price!! Since PPG (Ditzler) were the OEM suppliers I guess they are the best bet in most cases, but I wouldn't rely on it.
Once I'd had it mixed, they put in on their UK database - but only using the info I'd given them. In other words, if I'd made up a recipe, called it 'Panther Pink', and asked them to mix it up it would have got on their database but it could have been green!!
Just thought I'd share that note of caution since a lot of people are painting cars. It depends on what you are trying to do whether it matters.
If you are repainting an entire car and just want a similar colour, it's not a problem, as long as you like the colour. Be prepared for parking next to another Mopar with the 'same' colour and finding it to be different!! If you like the colour then does that really matter?
If you are trying to match an existing colour then make sure you get a sample first.
To be honest, that is pretty much the best idea whatever you do IMHO - get a sample to check that you like the colour!!
In my case I had seen so many totally different shades of 'Panther Pink' in the US, some of which I didn't even like, that I wanted to be sure 1) I liked it, and 2) it was the REAL Panther Pink!!
Just my 2c
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I found the same with Hemi orange Gavin. I made as sure as I could that the formula I had was correct. Even after it was mixed I viewed a test card sample under different lighting conditions alongside different samples I have to make sure it was exactly right.
You don't see that many hemi orange cars with the correct amount of metallic in them for a start.
You don't see that many hemi orange cars with the correct amount of metallic in them for a start.
A lot of people think that Hemi Orange is a straight colour, with no metallic in it and on an original car, which was probably painted in TPA it's quite difficult to see the flakes.
A modern basecoat and clear version of EXACTLY the same colour which was originally a single pack material is actrually going to look different as the new technology lifts the top and side tones to give a better metallic effect.
There is also the fact that the paint manufacturers may be working with different factories supposedly painting the same colour, so you have variants from the factory, it all gets very confusing.
Then add the fact that some colours get dirtier with age and others fade it's no wonder there are so many variations of the same colour out there.
I agree that if you are doing a complete repaint, just make sure you like the colour and check a colour swatch or spray out card first.
A modern basecoat and clear version of EXACTLY the same colour which was originally a single pack material is actrually going to look different as the new technology lifts the top and side tones to give a better metallic effect.
There is also the fact that the paint manufacturers may be working with different factories supposedly painting the same colour, so you have variants from the factory, it all gets very confusing.
Then add the fact that some colours get dirtier with age and others fade it's no wonder there are so many variations of the same colour out there.
I agree that if you are doing a complete repaint, just make sure you like the colour and check a colour swatch or spray out card first.