Less meat and more veg

[Anonymous]

It's OK for me as I'm vegetarian.....most of us enjoy eating meat, but there is another side to it. Take a few minutes to watch this clip and make your own mind up. Don't worry, it's not a shock video of animals being carved up, it's about the water situation.
I think the solution is cannibalism. 1 - it keeps the population under control and 2 - there is an abundance of cheap meat

Seriously though, I'd appreciate it if you can pass this around on behalf of CIWF.

[bananaskin]

. Take a few minutes to watch this clip

Will take a couple of hours to find it

[Trigger_Andy]

There was no clip to watch but to be honest I'm glad. This is no place for you to continue to spue your veggie belief's. I dont need pictures of Donkeys and Bears abused and all the other things that goes on.

I've had my fair share of tellings off for posting my view points as others find it 'offensive' so why should I have to stand by when others give there's on something I find likewise?

[R.RUNNER]

There was no clip to watch but to be honest I'm glad. This is no place for you to continue to spue your veggie belief's. I dont need pictures of Donkeys and Bears abused and all the other things that goes on.

I've had my fair share of tellings off for posting my view points as others find it 'offensive' so why should I have to stand by when others give there's on something I find likewise?

[mopar_mark]

If were not mean't to eat animals, why they made of meat




















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Sorry, could't help it

[Anonymous]

no clip, didn't know you were a veggie, im not but i just eat very little meat, partly for the reasons i imagine you are trying to publicise. (Deforestation for grazing land etc, inefficient use of plants etc) If i do ever get meat, it is always free range, organic and local. Can be difficult when eating out somewhere.

[Anonymous]

Sorry chaps
http://www.charityemail.org.uk/1469254/ ... /0/t2.aspx

Andy, its not about bashing meat eaters, some of my best friends eat meat. It's about a world crisis brought about by the way we live and eat today. We already consume 5 times as much meat as we did 50 years ago, and that figure will be multiplied by five in only 20 years at todays rate. I'm not trying to save the World or the human race, to be honest the planet would be a lot better off without us, but we are not the only species that exists here but we are responsible for most of the problems that are affecting it.

[Anonymous]

if we were not meant to eat meat then we either wouldent be eating it in the first place or be poisness etc there is to much eveidence etc to the fact we have always eaten meat

i apretiate and respect people decisions etc but personally i think that you arent giving yourself certain things your body need by not eating meat

but fair paly anyway

[Anonymous]

if we were not meant to eat meat then we either wouldent be eating it in the first place or be poisness etc there is to much eveidence etc to the fact we have always eaten meat

i apretiate and respect people decisions etc but personally i think that you arent giving yourself certain things your body need by not eating meat

but fair paly anyway

What evidence is that Si? Some Hollywood movie about cavemen catching dinosaurs
If we are going to go down that route, then consider this.....

All natural carnivores (animals which consume other animals), are built for the job, from the smallest insect to huge Killer Whales. Humans can't catch or kill anything bigger than a rat with their bare hands and small teeth. As they are an intelligent species they managed to devise tools and traps to catch animals for food. A full grown man still struggled to suffocate a buffalo by biting its windpipe though. Carnivores all mainly consume meat while it is still alive or just killed....or even carrion (try eating that raw!) No other animal on this planet has to cook meat to prevent food poisoning, that is because their immune systems and digestive systems are designed to cope with it and ours aren't. A little bit of undercooked chicken can cause mayhem in the trouser department

Humans eating meat is a bit like cats drinking cream, they love the taste but how the hell do they get it out of a cow....a totally unnatural food source (I've yet to see cats catch fish too?). Sure, we all, or most of us love the taste of it, and it's a major Worldwide industry worth billions, but there is no way on earth it is part of a natural diet.

Consider also the physique of a male Silverback Gorilla. 200 kilos of muscle, it could snap a man in half, doesn't even go to the gym to work out...has never touched a Maximuscle product either. Lives on fruit, seeds, tree bark, plant bulbs, tender plant shoots, and flowers....and guess what? He has a great set of canine teeth, perfect for killing?
Horses... slab sided muscles on top of muscles. Strong and fast, lives on grass, hay, oats and the odd sugar lump if he's lucky!
That big Aberdeen Angus bull, same thing...huge, with muscles coming out of his ears....no meat in his diet (well except for the ground up remains of less fortunate cattle, which led to Mad Cow Disease incidentally, and is now much better controlled). So you really don't need meat to be big, strong and muscular.

So, bearing all that in mind, why do we 'need' meat in our diet,asides from liking the taste? What does it provide....protein? All the essential amino acids can be obtained on their own from various everyday plant sources, which, contrary to popular belief, do not need to be combined in the same meal .....and meat's bloody expensive too. When I was young I used to eat meat like it was going out of fashion. I would be pumping iron down the gym and stuffing my face everyday with 5kg of chicken fillets and 2 dozen eggs washed down with a gallon of milk mixed with a cocktail of muscle enhancing products....most of which just made me fart, trying to look like Arnold Scwarzanegger. Spinal injury stopped the training and you quickly shrink back to your original self. One day, a few years ago, I tried some of Paula's vegetarian dishes and never looked back since. My willy has gown at least 3 extra inches since I stopped eating meat too and I've saved a fortune.

Anyway, this is not a personal crusade to convert you all to vegetarianism, you can eat what you like. But if what is said in that video is true, then you may not have as much choice in the future as you do now about what you eat.

PS this is just a reply to Si's point and not an attack on anyone who eats meat.

[Anonymous]

Evidence of Humans as Omnivores

Archeological Record

As far back as it can be traced, clearly the archeological record indicates an omnivorous diet for humans that included meat. Our ancestry is among the hunter/gatherers from the beginning. Once domestication of food sources began, it included both animals and plants.

Cell Types

Relative number and distribution of cell types, as well as structural specializations, are more important than overall length of the intestine to determining a typical diet. Dogs are typical carnivores, but their intestinal characteristics have more in common with omnivores. Wolves eat quite a lot of plant material.

Fermenting Vats

Nearly all plant eaters have fermenting vats (enlarged chambers where foods sits and microbes attack it). Ruminants like cattle and deer have forward sacs derived from remodeled esophagus and stomach. Horses, rhinos, and colobine monkeys have posterior, hindgut sacs. Humans have no such specializations.
Jaws

Although evidence on the structure and function of human hands and jaws, behavior, and evolutionary history also either support an omnivorous diet or fail to support strict vegetarianism, the best evidence comes from our teeth.

The short canines in humans are a functional consequence of the enlarged cranium and associated reduction of the size of the jaws. In primates, canines function as both defense weapons and visual threat devices. Interestingly, the primates with the largest canines (gorillas and gelada baboons) both have basically vegetarian diets. In archeological sites, broken human molars are most often confused with broken premolars and molars of pigs, a classic omnivore. On the other hand, some herbivores have well-developed incisors that are often mistaken for those of human teeth when found in archeological excavations.

Salivary Glands

These indicate we could be omnivores. Saliva and urine data vary, depending on diet, not taxonomic group.

Intestines
Intestinal absorption is a surface area, not linear problem. Dogs (which are carnivores) have intestinal specializations more characteristic of omnivores than carnivores such as cats. The relative number of crypts and cell types is a better indication of diet than simple length. We are intermediate between the two groups.

Conclusion

Humans are classic examples of omnivores in all relevant anatomical traits. There is no basis in anatomy or physiology for the assumption that humans are pre-adapted to the vegetarian diet. For that reason, the best arguments in support of a meat-free diet remain ecological, ethical, and health concerns.

and talk to most archeaologist my mum also does a lot of archeology she has also been on time team a couple of times and she has found no evidence to say we were vegitarians blah blah

wasent meant to be offensive mate i knew you were and i personally couldent give a rats arse wether somone eats meat veg or weather they just eat hob nobs 24/7

the only time i do have a problem is when people say that its cruel to animals well yes there are a few places that should be shut down but on the most part they have a fairly good life and a quick death

[Gareth]

Some good info there Si, Excellent reply

[Anonymous]

Right, before this gets out of hand and a whole pro/anti vegetarian debate/war starts...just remember, this thread is titled 'less meat more veg' in reference to the fact that we should eat 'less' meat and not 'no' meat as some people may be reading into this just because I am a veggie. We as a species eat too much meat - fact.

PS I believe archaeology is 99% educated guesswork and 1% fact

[newport100]

stoppit guys - u makin me hungry

[Gareth]

We as a species eat too much meat - fact

Interesting "fact" Dave, please elaborate ?

[Anonymous]

Take 20 minutes with this guy Gareth, he does it better than me
http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/mark ... e_eat.html