Anyone looked at the 70 Chally in Redhill?

Motorama · Post by **Motorama** » Mon Aug 24, 09 8:59 am

Just wondered if anyone has viewed the 70 Challenger in Redhill at American Autoparts and their views on it. 383 matching no's.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » Mon Aug 24, 09 10:18 am

If its the sub lime WSS, I have. PM me for details.

Dave-R · Post by **Dave-R** » Mon Aug 24, 09 10:26 am

If it is a sublime WSS I probably know it very well.

Motorama · Post by **Motorama** » Mon Aug 24, 09 11:50 am

Not sure if it's a WSS. It's this one on Ebay

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MATCHING-NUMBERS- ... 286.c0.m14

Dave-R · Post by **Dave-R** » Mon Aug 24, 09 12:37 pm

It looks like my mate Trevor Young's old car. It is a Western Sport Special although I know the existing owner damaged the ally panel that mounts above the rear lights. Looks like it has been painted black to hide the damage.
Trevor repaired the bodywork and had it resprayed. A few bits of my car are on this one.

But I think the existing owner has done damage to the bodywork a couple of times. It has been repaired but things like that rear panel are not replaceable. A skilled person could repair it though.

Wheels are 14-inch rallyes. The car is pretty original. All numbers matching. Still has the rim blow steering wheel but I can't remember if it worked or (like many) has had the horn moved to the wheel center push button.

I am sure I did a full fender tag de-code on it so I will have a look tonight.

Dave-R · Post by **Dave-R** » Mon Aug 24, 09 9:09 pm

(The fender tag is read from bottom to top and left to right)

E61 - Engine code. 383 cu. in. V8 2bbl. Single Exhaust (N.A. w/manual trans, or R/T)
D32 - Transmission (Heavy Duty Automatic)
J - Model (Challenger)
H - Price class – High (not an R/T)
23 - Body type (Two Door Hardtop)
L - Engine code (383 B-Block)
0 - Model year (1970)
E - Assembly plant (Los Angeles, CA)
128638 - Plant sequential number (28638th car of all types down the line that model year)

FJ5 - Body paint (Sublime – ‘High Impact’ paint)
H6X9 – Interior. H = High Grade, 6 = All-Vinyl bucket seats, X9 = Black.
000 - Full door panels (no interior color paint required on door frame)
108 - Scheduled production date (8th Jan 1970)
109026 - Dealer order number

V1X - Vinyl roof / Black
A63 – Molding Group A (standard SE). Belt Moulding, Front Splash Pan Scoop Molding, Cowl Moulding, Rear Astrotone-Painted Applique.
A91 – Western Sport Special Group (Released mid-Dec. '69 to Los Angeles and San Francisco regions) Western Sport Special decal, vinyl roof, woodgrain instrument panel applique, remote control mirror, rim blow steering wheel, sill moulding, belt moulding, front splash pan scoop, cowl moulding, rear Astrotone applique, pedals dress-up, bumper guards w/rubber inserts, F78x14 inch white side wall tyres, Rallye wheels.
C16 - Centre console
C55 - Bucket seats
G34 - Painted L.H. Remote Control Racing Mirror
H51 – Air Conditioner with Heater
M21 – drip Trough Moldings
M25 – Wide Sill Moldings
M31 – Belt Molding
N95 – Evaporative Control System
R11 - Music Master A.M. Radio
V1X - Vinyl roof / Black
V5X – Black Side Molding
26 – 26” H.D. Radiator
END - End of options list.

Stu · Post by **Stu** » Mon Aug 24, 09 9:10 pm

Bit scant on the info there, Dave...

Dave-R · Post by **Dave-R** » Mon Aug 24, 09 9:10 pm

few more.

AllKiller · Post by **AllKiller** » Mon Aug 24, 09 10:34 pm

Last picure looks Cool, shame the other Challengers not right in it to

Dave-R · Post by **Dave-R** » Tue Aug 25, 09 8:44 am

AllKiller wrote:Last picure looks Cool, shame the other Challengers not right in it to

It was. But this thread is not about me.

That was one of the ones taken one very cold January a night or two before Trevor had to go off and help invade Iraq. Most of them were very blurred because I didn't think to take a tripod. Plus it is hard to keep a camera still when you are shivering.

There was ice from my breath on the inside of my windscreen on the way home. No heater remember.

Motorama · Post by **Motorama** » Tue Aug 25, 09 8:54 am

Thanks for the info guys

Ivor · Post by **Ivor** » Tue Aug 25, 09 9:11 am

In my view, that car is just begging to have it's black vinyl roof re-fitted...nicely specced car too.

Dave-R · Post by **Dave-R** » Tue Aug 25, 09 9:28 am

Stu wrote:Bit scant on the info there, Dave...

Actually to be completely accurate one bit is probably wrong.

128638 - Plant sequential number (28638th car of all types down the line that model year)

Now that statement assumed (as all the books and most "experts" will tell you) that the 1970 production line started with car number 100001.

However I know that (at least in the case of Hamtramck production) the earliest cars known had VINs starting much higher than that. So the numbers were a few hundred behind before production even started.

Also cars were not produced in order of their VIN sequence number. This is because VINs were allocated well before the cars were built and they tried to build similar cars together in groups. Often cars coming down the production line together would have VINs hundreds apart.

Dave999 · Post by **Dave999** » Tue Aug 25, 09 9:34 am

the aussies built them in vin order
and suffered

one side of the car RT
the other side of the car 770 with aircon

have to take it all to bits again and fill the extra holes.

oops

Dave

Dave-R · Post by **Dave-R** » Tue Aug 25, 09 9:35 am

Here is a photo of an un-restored and completely original Western Sport Special. Note the side moulding and whitewall tyres. Also note the decal on the rear quarters.

You just never see these restored as they should be. Which is a pity.